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From: KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>
To: Joshua Brindle <jbrindle@tresys.com>
Cc: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	jmorris@namei.org, paul.moore@hp.com, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.2)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:53:22 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48A276D2.1050303@ak.jp.nec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <06A6610D4F464D4EBEAFBF2C5F86911E1CB38D@exchange2.columbia.tresys.com>

Joshua Brindle wrote:
> KaiGai Kohei wrote:
>> The series of patches enables to assign a thread an
>> indivisual "more bounded" domain, even if the process is
>> multithreaded. 
>>
>> We can apply this feature to set up a server application
>> which handles user's request withing more restricted domain,
>> to protect potential harms come from application bugs.
>>
>> It also adds a new binary policy format (version 24).
>> This version allows each definitions of user/role/type to
>> have its bounds. The bounds restrict capabilities of bounded
>> one with similar rules compared to existing name based
>> hierarchy support.
>> The following rules are enhanced from existing hierarchy stuff.
>> - A bounded type cannot have any attribute which does not assigned  
>> to the upper type. 
> 
> I don't think this is necessary. The original hierarchy implementation
> only cared about the net effect of the rules, not how they were granted.
> For example, if I have 2 attributes, one that is given more privilege
> and one that is given a subset of the first why should I have to assign
> both to the 'parent' type? I don't agree with this constraint.

The major purpose of attribute bounds was a restriction for CONSTRAIN
or MLSCONSTRAINT rules. However, I reconsidered it can be implemented
by sanity checks at policy load time, without any attribute bounds.

I agree what you pointed out.
In the next patch, I'll remove the code to check attribute bounds.

>> - CONSTRAIN/MLSCONSTRAIN rules are enhanced to pay attention   the
>> boundary relationships. 
>>
>> I adds a new statement of TYPEBOUNDS as follows:
>>
>>   TYPEBOUNDS <parent type>  <child type 1> [, <child type 2> ...] ;
>>
>> It defines boundary relationships between two types, and
>> these are loaded to the kernelspace via policy version 24.
>> (*) The existing hierarchy is implicitly expanded to bounds.
>>
>> I don't provide a statement to define boundary relationships
>> between roles/users, although existing hierarchy supports
>> them, because its purpose/worth is unclear now.
> 
> Its purpose was the same as the original purpose for the hierarchy. The
> hierarchy was developed for policy access control using the policy
> management server. One would 'label' policy objects using the hierarchy
> and could constrain the permissions (or roles or types) using the
> hierarchical constraints. I request that you not remove this support in
> your version.

Sorry, my explanation might be misleadable. :(

The new facilities can have a data structure to represent boundary
relationships between two types/roles/users. However, I didn't add
a new syntax in policy language statement, like USERBOUNDS/ROLEBOUNDS.
If the checkmodule founds existing name based hierarhies, implicit
boundary relationships are assigned to them, and these are shipped
into kernelspace later.

For example, a definition of "staff_u.kaigai" does not define a SElinux
user only, but a boundary relationship between "staff_u" and
"staff_u.kaigai" is also defined automatically.

I consider this behavior can follows existing name based hierarchies.

> Additionally, if you are enforcing hierarchy on types in constrain
> statements you should also do this for roles and users, for consistency.

The latest kernel patch enables to check (MLS)CONSTRAINT statement for
users, roles and types. Please show constraint_bounds_sanity_check()
which is invoked at policy load time.

Thanks,
-- 
OSS Platform Development Division, NEC
KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-13  5:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-15 10:06 [RFC] An idea of thread/child-domain assignment KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-15 13:38 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-16  2:17   ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-16  6:08     ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-16 12:00       ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-16 12:18     ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-18  6:21       ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-23  3:58         ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 12:51           ` [PATCH 0/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 13:03             ` [PATCH 1/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 13:44               ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-25 17:06                 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-07-26  8:24                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 17:07                 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-07-26  7:55                 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-26 17:28                   ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-26 18:14                     ` Joshua Brindle
2008-07-28  3:06                       ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-28 17:31                       ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-29  6:51                         ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-29 12:06                           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-30 14:10                             ` Joshua Brindle
2008-07-30 14:57                               ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-01  6:26                             ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 13:03             ` [PATCH 2/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-29  7:15               ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-29 12:25                 ` Scott Schmit
2008-07-29 13:28                   ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-25 13:04             ` [PATCH 3/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 13:04             ` [PATCH 4/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-05  5:47             ` [PATCH 0/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.2) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-05  5:55               ` [PATCH 1/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-05 12:53                 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-06 10:05                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-06 10:13                   ` [PATCH 1/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.3) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-14  7:38                     ` [PATCH 1/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.4) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-15 18:13                       ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-20  9:41                         ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-25 12:32                         ` [PATCH 1/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.6) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-25 12:57                           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-25 13:45                             ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-26  7:11                             ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-26  9:01                           ` James Morris
2008-08-26 10:29                           ` James Morris
2008-08-26 10:47                             ` James Morris
2008-08-27  1:15                               ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-27  8:04                               ` [LTP][PATCH 1/2] Replacement of deprecated interfaces KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-27 12:14                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-28  6:26                                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28 12:10                                     ` Subrata Modak
2008-08-28 12:52                                       ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28 13:34                                         ` Subrata Modak
2008-10-23  9:48                                     ` Subrata Modak
2008-08-27  8:05                               ` [LTP][PATCH 2/2] Add a new test case for bounds types KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-22 13:00                                 ` Subrata Modak
2008-10-23  8:10                                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-23  9:30                                     ` Subrata Modak
2008-08-27  1:11                             ` [PATCH 1/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.6) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28  7:35                             ` [PATCH] SELinux: add boundary support and thread context assignment KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28 12:43                               ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-28 15:06                               ` James Morris
2008-08-05  5:55               ` [PATCH 2/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.2) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-06 10:14                 ` [PATCH 2/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.3) KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-09 17:10                 ` [PATCH 2/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.2) Joshua Brindle
2008-10-10  1:19                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-10  1:22                     ` Joshua Brindle
2008-08-05  5:55               ` [PATCH 3/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-06 10:13                 ` [PATCH 3/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.3) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-25 12:32                 ` [PATCH 3/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.4) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28 15:51                   ` Joshua Brindle
2008-08-29  1:54                     ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-29  3:01                       ` Joshua Brindle
2008-09-01  6:26                         ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-01  9:08                           ` [PATCH] libsepol : Add support for a new policy version (POLICYDB_VERSION_BOUNDARY) KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-01 14:47                           ` [PATCH 3/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.4) Joshua Brindle
2008-09-01 16:11                             ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-09  2:04                               ` [PATCH 3/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.6) KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-12 18:17                                 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-09-12 23:20                                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-15 13:44                                     ` Joshua Brindle
2008-09-16  1:50                                       ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-30 14:00                                     ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-01  7:53                                       ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-01 19:56                                         ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-04 23:30                                         ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-06  9:19                                           ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-06 19:13                                             ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-07  6:39                                               ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-09 15:30                                                 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-09 17:00                                                   ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-10  0:57                                                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-09 17:11                                                 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-06 12:30                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-10-06 19:13                                             ` Joshua Brindle
2008-08-11 17:58               ` [PATCH 0/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.2) Joshua Brindle
2008-08-13  5:53                 ` KaiGai Kohei [this message]
2008-08-14  8:55             ` A toy of SQL injection (Re: [PATCH 0/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment) KaiGai Kohei

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