bug-grub

bug-grub

[Robert Millan]

Hi,

Marco and I had an interesting discussion about bug-grub today:

15:54 < marco_g> nyu: Actually, I rarely look at the BTS
15:54 < marco_g> The list is a better way to process patches, IMO.
15:55 < nyu> marco_g: bug-grub is rotting
15:55 < nyu> we should really consider a list merge
15:55 < marco_g> nyu: What do you mean?
15:55 < nyu> either that, or get rid of the BTS and bug-grub
15:55 < marco_g> nyu: I do not oppose to the latter ;-)
15:55 < nyu> marco_g: a BTS *is* useful
15:56 < marco_g> nyu: I do not see any email when people post bugs for GRUB 2, is there a way to subscribe?
15:56 < marco_g> That would make it more useful to me...
15:57 < nyu> marco_g: they go to bug-grub
15:57 < marco_g> Oh, I don't read bug-grub
15:57 < marco_g> It's for GRUB Legacy as I see it.
15:59 < nyu> marco_g: then let's dislodge GRUB Legacy from it
16:00 < marco_g> nyu: Good idea, please propose it ;-)

So this is my lazy way of I'm proposing that :-)

What does everyone think?

-- 
Robert Millan

<GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call!
<DRM> What good is a phone call… if you are unable to speak?
(as seen on /.)

Re: bug-grub

[Gregg Levine]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Marco and I had an interesting discussion about bug-grub today:
>
> 15:54 < marco_g> nyu: Actually, I rarely look at the BTS
> 15:54 < marco_g> The list is a better way to process patches, IMO.
> 15:55 < nyu> marco_g: bug-grub is rotting
> 15:55 < nyu> we should really consider a list merge
> 15:55 < marco_g> nyu: What do you mean?
> 15:55 < nyu> either that, or get rid of the BTS and bug-grub
> 15:55 < marco_g> nyu: I do not oppose to the latter ;-)
> 15:55 < nyu> marco_g: a BTS *is* useful
> 15:56 < marco_g> nyu: I do not see any email when people post bugs for GRUB 2, is there a way to subscribe?
> 15:56 < marco_g> That would make it more useful to me...
> 15:57 < nyu> marco_g: they go to bug-grub
> 15:57 < marco_g> Oh, I don't read bug-grub
> 15:57 < marco_g> It's for GRUB Legacy as I see it.
> 15:59 < nyu> marco_g: then let's dislodge GRUB Legacy from it
> 16:00 < marco_g> nyu: Good idea, please propose it ;-)
>
> So this is my lazy way of I'm proposing that :-)
>
> What does everyone think?
>
> --
> Robert Millan

Hello!
Why I am inclined to think is that the Bug-Grub list should be allowed
to continue for as long as there are available binary blobs and source
code ones for the original Grub-Legacy. Currently that one is in a
finally released state, as Grub2 hastens towards its first actual
release.

An appropriate disclaimer of what list does what should be posted onto
the basic website.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
"This signature was once found posting rude
 messages in English in the Moscow subway."

Re: bug-grub

[Robert Millan]

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:58:26AM -0400, Gregg Levine wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> Why I am inclined to think is that the Bug-Grub list should be allowed
> to continue for as long as there are available binary blobs and source
> code ones for the original Grub-Legacy.

But we don't really provide support for them.  It's distributors that keep
reliing on GRUB Legacy (though they *cough* [1] have their reasons) and
supporting it, and their versions are so heavily patched in many cases
problems don't apply the same way to upstream GRUB.

[1] yep, that includes me with another hat ;-)

> Currently that one is in a
> finally released state, as Grub2 hastens towards its first actual
> release.

Notice there GRUB Legacy has never had a stable release either.  The only
difference is that GRUB 2 is not mainstream yet (and right now the stopper
is that a few minor features are missing, and overall code stability needs
a bit more love).

Anyway, my proposed approach with regard to upstream support of GRUB Legacy,
is that in case of trouble users should try GRUB 2.  Then if the problem
persits, they can report it as a bug so we can get it fixed.  I don't think
this is leaving users out in the cold;  we're simply asking them to upgrade
(and all projects do this!).

-- 
Robert Millan

<GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call!
<DRM> What good is a phone call… if you are unable to speak?
(as seen on /.)

Re: bug-grub

[Felix Zielcke]

Hello grub-devels,

Am Samstag, den 19.07.2008, 16:06 +0200 schrieb Robert Millan:
> Hi,
> 
> Marco and I had an interesting discussion about bug-grub today:
> 
> 15:54 < marco_g> nyu: Actually, I rarely look at the BTS
> 15:54 < marco_g> The list is a better way to process patches, IMO.
> 15:55 < nyu> marco_g: bug-grub is rotting
> 15:55 < nyu> we should really consider a list merge
> 15:55 < marco_g> nyu: What do you mean?
> 15:55 < nyu> either that, or get rid of the BTS and bug-grub
> 15:55 < marco_g> nyu: I do not oppose to the latter ;-)
> 15:55 < nyu> marco_g: a BTS *is* useful
> 15:56 < marco_g> nyu: I do not see any email when people post bugs for GRUB 2, is there a way to subscribe?
> 15:56 < marco_g> That would make it more useful to me...
> 15:57 < nyu> marco_g: they go to bug-grub
> 15:57 < marco_g> Oh, I don't read bug-grub
> 15:57 < marco_g> It's for GRUB Legacy as I see it.
> 15:59 < nyu> marco_g: then let's dislodge GRUB Legacy from it
> 16:00 < marco_g> nyu: Good idea, please propose it ;-)
> 
> So this is my lazy way of I'm proposing that :-)
> 
> What does everyone think?
> 


I'd like to bring that topic up again.
I just discovered bts-link [0], which is a nice python thingy to link
the Debian BTS with Upstream's ones, like the savanah one you use (well
better: you have ;))

I personally prefer the Debian way of dealing with bugs.
Everything is handled with Mails, but you have a Website where you can
check _fast_ if things were forgotten.
For you non Debian guys look at [1], that's the PTS (Package Tracking
System), you have a nice bug graph and if you click on the 2 numbers
behind 'All Bugs' you see all opened  and recently bugs (difference
between the 2 numbers displayed are merged and unmerged ones)

I really don't like to dig through the mailling list archives if
something happend with this bug and then needing to bring it up again on
the mailling list just that somebody of you look again at it.

I don't know the Savanah BTS but I assume with the discussion above
between Robert and Marco, I assume it can send mails too.
So please use it :)

[0] http://bts-link.alioth.debian.org/
[1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/grub2.html

Re: bug-grub

[Marco Gerards]

Hi,

Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> writes:

[s/bug-grub/grub-devel/]

> What does everyone think?

IIRC Okuji wants to remain using bug-grub for our bugs.  If not, we
should change this IMO.

--
Marco

Re: bug-grub

[Robert Millan]

On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 10:54:19PM +0200, Marco Gerards wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> writes:
> 
> [s/bug-grub/grub-devel/]
> 
> > What does everyone think?
> 
> IIRC Okuji wants to remain using bug-grub for our bugs.  If not, we
> should change this IMO.

I'd like to remain using bug-grub for bugs, too.  But for GRUB 2 bugs instead
of GRUB Legacy ones.

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Re: bug-grub

[Vesa Jääskeläinen]

Robert Millan wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 10:54:19PM +0200, Marco Gerards wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> writes:
>>
>> [s/bug-grub/grub-devel/]
>>
>>> What does everyone think?
>> IIRC Okuji wants to remain using bug-grub for our bugs.  If not, we
>> should change this IMO.
> 
> I'd like to remain using bug-grub for bugs, too.  But for GRUB 2 bugs instead
> of GRUB Legacy ones.
> 

Why not use it for all GRUB project bugs? Just to get announcements of 
them. What I want is to get usage discussion off the list. There is 
already help-grub for the user discussions for both GRUB Legacy and GRUB 2.