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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hugh@veritas.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, briangrant@google.com,
	cgd@google.com, mbligh@google.com,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: pthread_create() slow for many threads; also time to revisit 64b context switch optimization?
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:04:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48A3222D.2060809@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808131007530.3462@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>

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Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Ulrich, I don't understand why you worry more about a _potential_ (and 
> fairly unlikely) complaint, than about a real one today.

Of course I care.  All I try to do is to prevent going from one extreme
(all focus on P4s) to the other (ignore P4s completely).

Even ignoring this one case here, I think it's in any case useful for
userlevel to tell the kernel that an anonymous memory region is needed
for a stack.  This might allow better optimizations and/or security
implementations.

- --
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖
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From: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hugh@veritas.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, briangrant@google.com,
	cgd@google.com, mbligh@google.com,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: pthread_create() slow for many threads; also time to revisit 64b context switch optimization?
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:04:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48A3222D.2060809@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808131007530.3462@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>

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Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Ulrich, I don't understand why you worry more about a _potential_ (and 
> fairly unlikely) complaint, than about a real one today.

Of course I care.  All I try to do is to prevent going from one extreme
(all focus on P4s) to the other (ignore P4s completely).

Even ignoring this one case here, I think it's in any case useful for
userlevel to tell the kernel that an anonymous memory region is needed
for a stack.  This might allow better optimizations and/or security
implementations.

- --
a?? Ulrich Drepper a?? Red Hat, Inc. a?? 444 Castro St a?? Mountain View, CA a??
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-13 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <af8810200808121736q76640cc1kb814385072fe9b29@mail.gmail.com>
2008-08-13  0:45 ` pthread_create() slow for many threads; also time to revisit 64b context switch optimization? Pardo
2008-08-13  0:45   ` Pardo
2008-08-13 10:44   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 10:44     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 13:35     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 13:35       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 14:21       ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 14:21         ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 14:25         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 14:25           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 14:36           ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 14:36             ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 15:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 15:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 15:21               ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 15:21                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 15:40                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 15:40                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 15:55                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 15:55                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 16:02                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 16:02                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-15 15:54                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-15 15:54                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-08-15 16:03                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-15 16:03                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-15 17:13                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-15 17:13                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-15 17:19                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-15 17:19                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-15 17:23                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-15 17:23                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-15 19:00                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-15 19:00                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-13 17:09                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-13 17:09                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-13 18:04                       ` Ulrich Drepper [this message]
2008-08-13 18:04                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 18:16                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 18:16                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 18:22                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 18:22                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-13 16:05                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-13 16:05                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-13 20:42               ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-13 20:42                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-13 20:56                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-13 20:56                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-13 21:46                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-13 21:46                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-15 12:43                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-15 12:43                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-15 13:33                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-15 13:33                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-21 16:35 Leon Bottou

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