Re: Russian translations for mlmmj

Re: Russian translations for mlmmj

[Morten K. Poulsen]

Hi Nikolay,

On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 13:41 +0300, Nikolay Derkach wrote:
> I've done mlmmj translation into Russian. The attachment contains
> listtexts/ru directory.

Thanks, very nice.

However, before I can commit them, you have to convert the files a bit:

On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 00:46 +0200, Morten K.Poulsen wrote: 
> I have changed the way listtexts are parsed. From now on, there
> will be no non-USASCII characters in the listtext files. If you
> need a character you simply put \uXXXX in its place, where XXXX
> is the unicode number (hexadecimal) for that glyph.
> 
> --- the old way ---
> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tilmeldingsforesp¯rgsel?= for $listaddr$
> 
> Der venter en tilmeldingsforesp√∏rgsel fra
> --- end ---
> 
> --- the new way ---
> Subject: Tilmeldingsforesp\u00F8rgsel for $listaddr$
> 
> For at godkende denne foresp\u00F8rgsel, send et svar til
> --- end ---

I am not sure how this is done most easily from anything but
ISO-8859-1. You have to look at the unicode value of each character and
then print it as \uXXXX. If you write a tool to do it (could be using
unicode.c from mlmmj), we could distribute it with mlmmj. I am not sure
when I can find the time to do it, if you don't. So please write a nifty
tool :-)

–°–ø–∞—Å–∏–±–æ,
Morten

Re: Russian translations for mlmmj

[Morten K. Poulsen]

On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 12:12 +0100, Morten K. Poulsen wrote:
> If you write a tool to do it (could be using unicode.c from mlmmj),

That would be unistr.c

Morten

Re: Russian translations for mlmmj

[Nikolay Derkach]

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Hi,

Cool... I wasn't subscribed to this mailing list, just sent a mail to
Mads Martin Joergensen. Thanks to Pavel Piatruk, who pointed me to a
discussion about Russian translation.

I attached converted translations, for those who interested how to
make those, here is the trick:

cat file | uni2ascii -a U > file.ascii

uni2ascii can be found at http://billposer.org/Software/uni2ascii.html

PS: In my opinion, localizations in ascii is a nonsense, really it's a
step back.

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Regards, Nikolay Derkach

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Re: Russian translations for mlmmj

[Thomas Goirand]

Nikolay Derkach wrote:
> cat file | uni2ascii -a U > file.ascii
> 
> uni2ascii can be found at http://billposer.org/Software/uni2ascii.html

What's the advantage of uni2ascii compared to iconv that is a standard
tool shipped with all libc6 setup?

> PS: In my opinion, localizations in ascii is a nonsense, really it's a
> step back.

Every software should use gettext(), that's for sure!

Thomas

Re: Russian translations for mlmmj

[Nikolay Derkach]

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr> wrote:
> Nikolay Derkach wrote:
>> cat file | uni2ascii -a U > file.ascii
>>
>> uni2ascii can be found at http://billposer.org/Software/uni2ascii.html
>
> What's the advantage of uni2ascii compared to iconv that is a standard
> tool shipped with all libc6 setup?

Maybe, but I took a quick look at iconv and didn't succeed with it
(tried -f utf8 -t ascii).

>> PS: In my opinion, localizations in ascii is a nonsense, really it's a
>> step back.
>
> Every software should use gettext(), that's for sure!

That doesn't contradict my statement.

-- 
Regards, Nikolay Derkach

Re: Russian translations for mlmmj

[Morten K. Poulsen]

On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 19:25 +0400, Nikolay Derkach wrote:
> I attached converted translations,

Cool, thanks. I will commit it as soon as I get some Internet access at
home (yes, I am the *master* of excuses).

> for those who interested how to make those, here is the trick:
> 
> cat file | uni2ascii -a U > file.ascii
> 
> uni2ascii can be found at http://billposer.org/Software/uni2ascii.html

Nice tool.

> PS: In my opinion, localizations in ascii is a nonsense, really it's a
> step back.

What is your alternative (which must not depend on a given character
encoding of the files)?

Best regards,
Morten

Re: Russian translations for mlmmj

[Morten K. Poulsen]

On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 03:34 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Every software should use gettext(), that's for sure!

I am looking forward to a patch.

Best regards,
Morten

Re: Russian translations for mlmmj

[Thomas Goirand]

Morten K. Poulsen wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 03:34 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> Every software should use gettext(), that's for sure!
> 
> I am looking forward to a patch.
> 
> Best regards,
> Morten

Sorry, I wont have the time to do a patch for it, I'm too busy for my
own programming myself for our control panel. I'm following the
development of MLMMJ because it's fully supported in it. I guess you
know already, no?

But if you want, I can help you guys to know how works gettext(), it's a
wonderful piece of software. I once used to do silly hacks, and now I'm
so happy of the move. With it, you have one file per language, and each
of them can use whatever encoding the translator decides. I'm not sure,
however, if anything else than UTF-8 should be used...

Thomas