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From: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:09:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48D62B7F.10905@colorfullife.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48CFF150.8070400@colorfullife.com>

Hi Paul,

Some further thoughts about design differences between your and my 
implementation:

- rcutree's qsmaskinit  is the worst-case list of cpus that could be in 
rcu read side critical sections.
- rcustate's cpu_total is the accurate list of cpus that could be in rcu 
read side critical sections.

Both variables are read rarely: for rcu_state, twice per grace period.

rcutree fixes up cpus that are "incorrectly" listed in qsmaskinit with 
force_quiescent_state(). It forces rcutree to use a cpu bitmask for 
qsmask and it forces rcutree to store the "done" information in a global 
structure. Additionately, in the worst case force_quiescent_state() must 
loop over all cpus.
rcustate can use per-cpu structures and a global atomic_t. There is no 
loop over all cpus. That's a big advantage, thus I think it's worth the 
effort to maintain an accurate list.
Unfortunately, I don't have an efficient implementation for the accurate 
list.

Some random ideas:
- cpu_total is only read rarely. Thus it would be ok if the read 
operation is expensive [e.g. collect data from multiple cachelines, 
acquire spinlocks...]
- updates to cpu_total happen with every interrupt on an idle system 
with no_hz.
    Thus it must be very scalable, preferably per-cpu data.
    And: Updates are far more frequent than grace periods.
- updates to cpu_total happen nearly never without no_hz.
   Especially: far less frequent than grace periods.

What about adding an "invalid" flag to cpu_total? The "real" data is 
stored in per-cpu structures.
- when a cpu enters/leaves nohz, then it invalidates the global 
cpu_total and updates a per-cpu structure
- when the state machine needs the number of rcu-tracked cpus, then it 
checks if the global cpu_total is valid.
If it's valid, then cpu_total is used directly. Otherwise the per-cpu 
structures are enumerated and the new value is stored as cpu_total.

What do you think?

--
    Manfred

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-21 11:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-21 23:43 [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] scalable classic RCU implementation Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-22  4:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-22 13:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-22 17:22     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-22 18:16       ` Josh Triplett
2008-08-23 16:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-24  2:44         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-22 23:29 ` Josh Triplett
2008-08-23  1:53   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-25 22:02     ` Josh Triplett
2008-08-26 16:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-27  0:38         ` Josh Triplett
2008-08-27 18:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-27 20:23             ` Josh Triplett
2008-08-27 20:41               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-25 10:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-25 15:16     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-25 15:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-27 18:28         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-24  8:08 ` Manfred Spraul
2008-08-24 16:32   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-24 18:25     ` Manfred Spraul
2008-08-24 21:19       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-25  0:07 ` [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-30  0:49   ` [PATCH, RFC, tip/core/rcu] v3 " Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-30  9:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-30 14:10       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-30 15:40         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-30 19:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-02 13:26           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-02 13:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-02 14:55               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-30  9:58     ` Lai Jiangshan
2008-08-30 13:32       ` Manfred Spraul
2008-08-30 14:34         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-31 10:58           ` Manfred Spraul
2008-08-31 17:20             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-31 17:45               ` Manfred Spraul
2008-08-31 17:55                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-31 18:18                   ` Manfred Spraul
2008-08-31 19:23                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-08-30 14:29       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-01  9:38     ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-02  1:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-02  6:18         ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-05 15:29     ` [PATCH, RFC] v4 " Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-05 19:33       ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-05 23:04         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-05 23:52           ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-06  4:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-06 16:37       ` Manfred Spraul
2008-09-07 17:25         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-07 10:18       ` [RFC, PATCH] Add a CPU_STARTING notifier (was: Re: [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation) Manfred Spraul
2008-09-07 11:07         ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-07 19:46         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-15 16:02       ` [PATCH, RFC] v4 scalable classic RCU implementation Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-16 16:52         ` Manfred Spraul
2008-09-16 17:30           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-16 17:48             ` Manfred Spraul
2008-09-16 18:22               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-21 11:09               ` Manfred Spraul [this message]
2008-09-21 21:14                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-23 23:53         ` [PATCH, RFC] v6 " Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-25  7:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 14:05             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-09-25  7:29           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 14:18             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-10 16:09           ` [PATCH, RFC] v7 " Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-12 15:52             ` Manfred Spraul
2008-10-12 22:46               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-13 18:03                 ` Manfred Spraul
2008-10-15  1:11                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-15  8:13                     ` Manfred Spraul
2008-10-15 15:26                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-22 18:41                         ` Manfred Spraul
2008-10-22 21:02                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-22 21:24                             ` Manfred Spraul
2008-10-27 16:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-27 19:48                                 ` Manfred Spraul
2008-10-27 23:52                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-28  5:30                                     ` Manfred Spraul
2008-10-28 15:17                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-28 17:21                                         ` Manfred Spraul
2008-10-28 17:35                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-17  8:34             ` Gautham R Shenoy
2008-10-17 15:35               ` Gautham R Shenoy
2008-10-17 15:46                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-17 15:43               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-12-08 18:42               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-02 20:10             ` Manfred Spraul
2008-11-03 20:33               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-05 19:48                 ` Manfred Spraul
2008-11-05 21:27                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-15 23:20             ` [PATCH, RFC] v8 " Paul E. McKenney

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