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From: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas@tungstengraphics.com>
To: Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"eric@anholt.net" <eric@anholt.net>,
	"hugh@veritas.com" <hugh@veritas.com>,
	"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"airlied@linux.ie" <airlied@linux.ie>,
	"jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org" <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	"dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] mm: pageable memory allocator (for DRM-GEM?)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:39:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48DBB0B3.2010500@tungstengraphics.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1222353487.4343.205.camel@koto.keithp.com>

Keith Packard wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 00:19 -0700, Thomas Hellström wrote:
>   
>>  If data is
>> dirtied in VRAM or the page(s) got discarded
>>  we need new pages and to set up a copy operation.
>>     
>
> Note that this can occur as a result of a suspend-to-memory transition
> at which point *all* of the objects in VRAM will need to be preserved in
> main memory, and so the pages aren't really 'freed', they just don't
> need to have valid contents, but the system should be aware that the
> space may be needed at some point in the future.
>
>   
Actually, I think the pages must be allowed to be freed, and that we 
don't put a requirement on "pageable"  to keep
swap-space slots for these pages. If we hit an OOM-condition during 
suspend-to-memory that's bad, but let's say we
required "pageable" to keep swap space slots for us, the result would 
perhaps be that another device wasn't able to suspend, or a user-space 
program was killed due to lack of swap-space prior to suspend.

I'm not really sure what's the worst situation, but my feeling is that 
we should not require swap-space to be reserved for VRAM, and abort the 
suspend operation if we hit OOM. That would, in the worst case, mean 
that people with non-UMA laptops and a too small swap partition would 
see their battery run out much quicker than they expected...

/Thomas




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From: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas@tungstengraphics.com>
To: Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"eric@anholt.net" <eric@anholt.net>,
	"hugh@veritas.com" <hugh@veritas.com>,
	"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"airlied@linux.ie" <airlied@linux.ie>,
	"jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org" <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	"dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] mm: pageable memory allocator (for DRM-GEM?)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:39:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48DBB0B3.2010500@tungstengraphics.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1222353487.4343.205.camel@koto.keithp.com>

Keith Packard wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 00:19 -0700, Thomas HellstrA?m wrote:
>   
>>  If data is
>> dirtied in VRAM or the page(s) got discarded
>>  we need new pages and to set up a copy operation.
>>     
>
> Note that this can occur as a result of a suspend-to-memory transition
> at which point *all* of the objects in VRAM will need to be preserved in
> main memory, and so the pages aren't really 'freed', they just don't
> need to have valid contents, but the system should be aware that the
> space may be needed at some point in the future.
>
>   
Actually, I think the pages must be allowed to be freed, and that we 
don't put a requirement on "pageable"  to keep
swap-space slots for these pages. If we hit an OOM-condition during 
suspend-to-memory that's bad, but let's say we
required "pageable" to keep swap space slots for us, the result would 
perhaps be that another device wasn't able to suspend, or a user-space 
program was killed due to lack of swap-space prior to suspend.

I'm not really sure what's the worst situation, but my feeling is that 
we should not require swap-space to be reserved for VRAM, and abort the 
suspend operation if we hit OOM. That would, in the worst case, mean 
that people with non-UMA laptops and a too small swap partition would 
see their battery run out much quicker than they expected...

/Thomas



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  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-25 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-23  9:10 [patch] mm: pageable memory allocator (for DRM-GEM?) Nick Piggin
2008-09-23  9:10 ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-23 10:21 ` Thomas Hellström
2008-09-23 10:21   ` Thomas Hellström
2008-09-23 11:31   ` Jerome Glisse
2008-09-23 11:31     ` Jerome Glisse
2008-09-23 13:18     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-23 13:18       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-25  0:18   ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  0:18     ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  7:19     ` Thomas Hellström
2008-09-25  7:19       ` Thomas Hellström
2008-09-25 14:38       ` Keith Packard
2008-09-25 15:39         ` Thomas Hellström [this message]
2008-09-25 15:39           ` Thomas Hellström
2008-09-25 22:41           ` Dave Airlie
2008-09-25 22:41             ` Dave Airlie
2008-09-23 15:50 ` Keith Packard
2008-09-23 18:29   ` Jerome Glisse
2008-09-23 18:29     ` Jerome Glisse
2008-09-25  0:30   ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  0:30     ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  1:20     ` Keith Packard
2008-09-25  2:30       ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  2:30         ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  2:43         ` Keith Packard
2008-09-25  3:07           ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  3:07             ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  6:16             ` Keith Packard
2008-09-25  8:45 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-09-30  1:10 ` Eric Anholt
2008-10-02 17:15   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-10-02 17:15     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-10-03  5:17     ` Keith Packard
2008-10-03  6:40       ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  6:40         ` Nick Piggin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-09-23  9:10 Nick Piggin

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