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* [U-Boot] Handling different ethernhet phys on the same system.
@ 2008-09-26 15:36 vb
  2008-09-26 15:42 ` Anton Vorontsov
  2008-09-26 17:03 ` Ben Warren
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: vb @ 2008-09-26 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: u-boot

Hello Ben,

I am trying to port u-boot on a system which deploys two different
types of ethernet PHYs, and don't see a good way of doing it with the
current sw structure.

There are concurrent implementations for supporting different PHYs,
and it looks like quite often bringing in a new etherent controller
brings in a duplicate PHY driver code. OTOH it is always presumed that
the same kind of phy is used on all ports.

I want to modify this scheme, but I don't want to go too far on a
tangent, as we here plan to integrate our changes back into the master
repository one of those days.

Here is what I suggest doing:

we introduce a concept of 'phy bus' - an MDIO bus for instance, and
'phy interface' which is the phy driver.

For illustration purpose, the phy bus could look like this:
struct phy_bus {
    int (*write)(u8 addr, u16 reg, u16 value);
    int (*read)(u8 addr, u16 reg, u16 *value);
}

and the driver would provide methods like

struct phy_driver {
   int (*reset)(struct phy_bus*, u8 addr))
   int (*init)(struct phy_bus*, u8 addr)
...
}

the set of methods could be fine tuned at any time obviously, the
important thing is that each method would receive the pointer to the
phy bus to be used to communicate with the device.

Then, in the ethernet device structure we would add two pointers: to
the bus serving the port and to the driver serving the port.

This would allow any new ethernet controller provide its own mdio bus
implementation and then use existing phy driver the same way any other
controller uses it. This would also allow to attach different phy
devices to different ethernet ports. And of course the multiple PHY
implementations won't be needed anymore, just one instance will serve
any ethernet device.

What do you think?

TIA,
Vadim


On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Ben Warren <biggerbadderben@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wolfgang Denk wrote:
>> Dear Ben,
>>
>> I just ran over this piece of code in NetLoop() [see "net/net.c"]:
>>
>>  286 int
>>  287 NetLoop(proto_t protocol)
>>  288 {
>>  ...
>>  322         eth_halt();
>>  323 #ifdef CONFIG_NET_MULTI
>>  324         eth_set_current();
>>  325 #endif
>>  326         if (eth_init(bd) < 0) {
>>  327                 eth_halt();
>>  328                 return(-1);
>>  329         }
>>
>> Am I reading this correctly that we  eth_halt()  and  eth_init()  the
>> network interface for each and every call to NetLoop?
>>
>>
> Yes, it looks that way.  Ripe for gutting.
>> This looks terribly inefficient to me - is there any rationale behind
>> this?
>>
>>
> Probably, but it escapes me.  It most certainly predates my involvement
> in this project.
>> Also, the eth_set_current() checking should IMHO be done  just  once,
>> before  we  start  a  network  transfer,  or  when we actually switch
>> interfaces, but not for each and every call to NetLoop() ?
>>
>>
> Maybe, but eth_set_current() is pretty lightweight.  NetLoop is only
> called when we start a network transfer, so this doesn't seem too
> egregious.  It could definitely stand to be refactored.
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Wolfgang Denk
>>
>>
> regards,
> Ben
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* [U-Boot] Handling different ethernhet phys on the same system.
  2008-09-26 15:36 [U-Boot] Handling different ethernhet phys on the same system vb
@ 2008-09-26 15:42 ` Anton Vorontsov
  2008-09-26 15:52   ` vb
  2008-09-26 17:03 ` Ben Warren
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Anton Vorontsov @ 2008-09-26 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: u-boot

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 08:36:28AM -0700, vb wrote:
[...]
> What do you think?

Something like linux/drivers/net/phy/? Sounds great, but somebody
need to port it. ;-)

-- 
Anton Vorontsov
email: cbouatmailru at gmail.com
irc://irc.freenode.net/bd2

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* [U-Boot] Handling different ethernhet phys on the same system.
  2008-09-26 15:42 ` Anton Vorontsov
@ 2008-09-26 15:52   ` vb
  2008-09-26 15:55     ` Anton Vorontsov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: vb @ 2008-09-26 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: u-boot

[cc]
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Anton Vorontsov
<avorontsov@ru.mvista.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 08:36:28AM -0700, vb wrote:
> [...]
>> What do you think?
>
> Something like linux/drivers/net/phy/? Sounds great, but somebody
> need to port it. ;-)
>


Yes, this is a popular scheme, I don't claim to be its inventor. :-)
Obviously Linux model is not applicable as is, but the idea is very
similar, you are right,

cheers,
/vb

> --
> Anton Vorontsov
> email: cbouatmailru at gmail.com
> irc://irc.freenode.net/bd2
>

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* [U-Boot] Handling different ethernhet phys on the same system.
  2008-09-26 15:52   ` vb
@ 2008-09-26 15:55     ` Anton Vorontsov
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Anton Vorontsov @ 2008-09-26 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: u-boot

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 08:52:33AM -0700, vb wrote:
> [cc]
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Anton Vorontsov
> <avorontsov@ru.mvista.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 08:36:28AM -0700, vb wrote:
> > [...]
> >> What do you think?
> >
> > Something like linux/drivers/net/phy/? Sounds great, but somebody
> > need to port it. ;-)
> >
> 
> Yes, this is a popular scheme, I don't claim to be its inventor. :-)
> Obviously Linux model is not applicable as is, but the idea is very
> similar, you are right,

Well, what I'm trying to say, is that it would be great to have
a model that is close to the Linux' one, as close as possible. Think
of code sharing, and future code integration...

-- 
Anton Vorontsov
email: cbouatmailru at gmail.com
irc://irc.freenode.net/bd2

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* [U-Boot] Handling different ethernhet phys on the same system.
  2008-09-26 15:36 [U-Boot] Handling different ethernhet phys on the same system vb
  2008-09-26 15:42 ` Anton Vorontsov
@ 2008-09-26 17:03 ` Ben Warren
  2008-09-26 17:45   ` vb
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ben Warren @ 2008-09-26 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: u-boot

Hi Vadim,

vb wrote:
> Hello Ben,
>
> I am trying to port u-boot on a system which deploys two different
> types of ethernet PHYs, and don't see a good way of doing it with the
> current sw structure.
>
> There are concurrent implementations for supporting different PHYs,
> and it looks like quite often bringing in a new etherent controller
> brings in a duplicate PHY driver code. OTOH it is always presumed that
> the same kind of phy is used on all ports.
>
> I want to modify this scheme, but I don't want to go too far on a
> tangent, as we here plan to integrate our changes back into the master
> repository one of those days.
>
> Here is what I suggest doing:
>
> we introduce a concept of 'phy bus' - an MDIO bus for instance, and
> 'phy interface' which is the phy driver.
>
> For illustration purpose, the phy bus could look like this:
> struct phy_bus {
>     int (*write)(u8 addr, u16 reg, u16 value);
>     int (*read)(u8 addr, u16 reg, u16 *value);
> }
>
> and the driver would provide methods like
>
> struct phy_driver {
>    int (*reset)(struct phy_bus*, u8 addr))
>    int (*init)(struct phy_bus*, u8 addr)
> ...
> }
>
> the set of methods could be fine tuned at any time obviously, the
> important thing is that each method would receive the pointer to the
> phy bus to be used to communicate with the device.
>
> Then, in the ethernet device structure we would add two pointers: to
> the bus serving the port and to the driver serving the port.
>
> This would allow any new ethernet controller provide its own mdio bus
> implementation and then use existing phy driver the same way any other
> controller uses it. This would also allow to attach different phy
> devices to different ethernet ports. And of course the multiple PHY
> implementations won't be needed anymore, just one instance will serve
> any ethernet device.
>
> What do you think?
>
> TIA,
> Vadim
>   
This is a topic that has been brought up many times before.  I actually 
started porting the Linux PHY stuff, but quickly realized that my 
limited CPU cycles would be better spent cleaning up the overall 
Ethernet driver architecture, with the PHY stuff to come later.

I like your ideas.  In addition to the inflexibility that you've 
mentioned, there's a lot of code duplication (see, for example the 
number of PHYs that are listed in the TSEC driver).  One of the things 
that's difficult to balance, and I don't know too many other peoples 
opinions, is how much board C code is acceptable, versus how much 
information should be specified by CONFIG_x definitions.  If everybody 
suddenly has to define an elaborate array of structs in board code 
rather than a few CONFIGs, usability goes down.  I don't really care, 
since IMHO you should know what you're doing when you port a bootloader, 
but maybe others feel differently.

Another thing to keep in mind is that we don't need to strongly bind a 
PHY type to an interface, really just a bus/ address (assuming we're 
using MDIO), since the devices are mostly probe-able.

Good conversation - let's keep it going.  It would be great if you could 
work on this.

regards,
Ben

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* [U-Boot] Handling different ethernhet phys on the same system.
  2008-09-26 17:03 ` Ben Warren
@ 2008-09-26 17:45   ` vb
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: vb @ 2008-09-26 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: u-boot

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Ben Warren <biggerbadderben@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is a topic that has been brought up many times before.  I actually
> started porting the Linux PHY stuff, but quickly realized that my limited
> CPU cycles would be better spent cleaning up the overall Ethernet driver
> architecture, with the PHY stuff to come later.
>
> I like your ideas.  In addition to the inflexibility that you've mentioned,
> there's a lot of code duplication (see, for example the number of PHYs that
> are listed in the TSEC driver).  One of the things that's difficult to
> balance, and I don't know too many other peoples opinions, is how much board
> C code is acceptable, versus how much information should be specified by
> CONFIG_x definitions.  If everybody suddenly has to define an elaborate
> array of structs in board code rather than a few CONFIGs, usability goes
> down.  I don't really care, since IMHO you should know what you're doing
> when you port a bootloader, but maybe others feel differently.
>
> Another thing to keep in mind is that we don't need to strongly bind a PHY
> type to an interface, really just a bus/ address (assuming we're using
> MDIO), since the devices are mostly probe-able.
>

Ben, great to hear that we think the same :-)

You are right that the PHYs can be probed, so there is no need to
attach any particular driver ahead of time, the only thing required
from the developer would the MDIO address defined in CONFIG_PHYSx_ADDR
as it is already done today.

Also, we can provide a 'catch all' driver relying on the standard PHY
register definition to fall back to if probing finds a PHY for which a
driver is not available.

> Good conversation - let's keep it going.  It would be great if you could
> work on this.
>

Absolutely, I'll look into implementing something along these lines,
it is interesting to see what others think,

cheers,
Vadim

> regards,
> Ben
>

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