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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: akataria@vmware.com, "avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	Dan Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux.
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:56:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E3D5F2.4090708@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48E3C4C3.1050903@zytor.com>

H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> What you'd want, at least, is a standard CPUID identification and 
> range leaf at the top.  256 leaves is a *lot*, though; I'm not saying 
> one couldn't run out, but it'd be hard.  Keep in mind that for large 
> objects there are "counting" CPUID levels, as much as I personally 
> dislike them, and one could easily argue that if you're doing 
> something that would require anywhere near 256 leaves you probably are 
> storing bulk data that belongs elsewhere.

I agree, but it just makes the proposal a bit more brittle.

> Of course, if we had some kind of central authority assigning 8-bit 
> IDs that would be even better, especially since there are tools in the 
> field which already scan on 64K boundaries.  I don't know, though, how 
> likely it is that we'll have to deal with 256 hypervisors.

I'm assuming that the likelihood of getting all possible vendors - 
current and future - to agree to a scheme like this is pretty small.  We 
need to come up with something that will work well when there are 
non-cooperative parties to deal with.

> I agree completely, of course (except that "what hypervisor is this" 
> still has limited usage, especially when it comes to dealing with bug 
> workarounds.  Similar to the way we use CPU vendor IDs and stepping 
> numbers for physical CPUs.)

I guess.  Its certainly useful to be able to identify the hypervisor for 
bug reporting and just general status information.  But making 
functional changes on that basis should be a last resort.

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-01 19:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-01 17:14 [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:14 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:33   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:33   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:45     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:45     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:06     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:05       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:05       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 22:46         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:11           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02  1:11             ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02  1:24             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:24               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-03 22:33               ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 22:33               ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 22:33                 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 23:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-03 23:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-04  0:27                   ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04  0:27                     ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04  0:35                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 22:30                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-07 22:30                         ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-07 22:37                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:45                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08  1:09                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-08  1:09                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:45                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 22:37                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:41                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:41                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:45                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:45                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-08  0:40                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08  0:40                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 22:30                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04  0:35                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-04  8:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-04  8:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-04  0:27                   ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02  1:11           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-01 22:46         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:06     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 17:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 20:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 20:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 20:08     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 20:08     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:03       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:03       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:03       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 18:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:07   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:12     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:36         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:36         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 19:56             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2008-10-01 19:56             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 20:38           ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 22:38             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 22:38             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 20:38           ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 18:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:12     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:07   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 21:01   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:01   ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:15       ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:15       ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:31         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:31         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:23       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:23       ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:17     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:17     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:34       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:34       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:43         ` Chris Wright
2008-10-02 11:29           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-02 11:29           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 21:43         ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 23:47         ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-01 23:47         ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02  0:39           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:11             ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02  1:11             ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02  1:21               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  1:21               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:39           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02  0:41           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-02  0:41           ` Anthony Liguori
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-10-01 17:14 Alok Kataria

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