From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
"akataria@vmware.com" <akataria@vmware.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux.
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:45:34 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48EBF49E.9030803@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48EBF396.8000502@goop.org>
Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>>
>> The big difference here is that you could create a VM at runtime (by
>> combining the existing interfaces) that did not exist before (or was
>> not tested before). For example, a hypervisor could show hyper-v,
>> osx-v (if any), linux-v, etc., and a guest could create a VM with
>> hyper-v MMU, osx-v interrupt handling, Linux-v timer, etc. And such
>> combinations/variations can grow exponentially.
>
> That would be crazy.
>
Not necessarily, although the example above is extreme. Redundant
interfaces is the norm in an evolving platform.
>> Or are you suggesting that multiple interfaces be _available_ to
>> guests at runtime but the guest chooses one of them?
>
> Right, that's what I've been suggesting. I think hypervisors should
> be able to offer multiple ABIs to guests, but a guest has to commit to
> using one exclusively (ie, once they start to use one then the others
> turn themselves off, kill the domain, etc).
Not inherently. Of course, there may be interfaces which are interently
or by policy mutually exclusive, but a hypervisor should only export the
interfaces it wants a guest to be able to use.
This is particularly so with CPUID, which is a *data export* interface,
it doesn't perform any action.
-hpa
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
"akataria@vmware.com" <akataria@vmware.com>,
"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>, Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
"virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org"
<virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux.
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:45:34 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48EBF49E.9030803@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48EBF396.8000502@goop.org>
Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>>
>> The big difference here is that you could create a VM at runtime (by
>> combining the existing interfaces) that did not exist before (or was
>> not tested before). For example, a hypervisor could show hyper-v,
>> osx-v (if any), linux-v, etc., and a guest could create a VM with
>> hyper-v MMU, osx-v interrupt handling, Linux-v timer, etc. And such
>> combinations/variations can grow exponentially.
>
> That would be crazy.
>
Not necessarily, although the example above is extreme. Redundant
interfaces is the norm in an evolving platform.
>> Or are you suggesting that multiple interfaces be _available_ to
>> guests at runtime but the guest chooses one of them?
>
> Right, that's what I've been suggesting. I think hypervisors should
> be able to offer multiple ABIs to guests, but a guest has to commit to
> using one exclusively (ie, once they start to use one then the others
> turn themselves off, kill the domain, etc).
Not inherently. Of course, there may be interfaces which are interently
or by policy mutually exclusive, but a hypervisor should only export the
interfaces it wants a guest to be able to use.
This is particularly so with CPUID, which is a *data export* interface,
it doesn't perform any action.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-07 23:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-01 17:14 [RFC] CPUID usage for interaction between Hypervisors and Linux Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:14 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:33 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:05 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 22:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 22:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 1:11 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02 1:11 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02 1:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 1:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-03 22:33 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 22:33 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 22:33 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-03 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-03 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-04 0:27 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04 0:27 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-04 0:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-04 0:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 22:30 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-07 22:30 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-07 22:30 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-07 22:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 22:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08 1:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-08 1:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-07 23:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:41 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:45 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-10-07 23:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-08 0:40 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-08 0:40 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-07 23:41 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-04 8:53 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-04 8:53 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-04 0:27 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-02 1:11 ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-10-01 21:05 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:33 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 17:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 17:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:12 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:12 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 18:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 19:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 19:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 18:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 20:38 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-01 20:38 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:01 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:15 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:15 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:23 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:23 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 21:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:43 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-01 21:43 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-02 11:29 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-02 11:29 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01 23:47 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-01 23:47 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 0:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 0:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 0:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 1:11 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 1:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 1:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 1:11 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 0:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-02 0:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-02 0:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:01 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-01 18:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 20:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 20:08 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 20:08 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-10-01 21:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 21:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-01 20:03 ` Anthony Liguori
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-10-01 17:14 Alok Kataria
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