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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Michael Rubin <mrubin@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Righi <righi.andrea@gmail.com>,
	menage@google.com, kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com,
	dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com, chlunde@ping.uio.no, dpshah@google.com,
	eric.rannaud@gmail.com, fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp,
	agk@sourceware.org, m.innocenti@cineca.it,
	s-uchida@ap.jp.nec.com, ryov@valinux.co.jp, matt@bluehost.com,
	dradford@bluehost.com, containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH -mm 0/2] memcg: per cgroup dirty_ratio
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:34:22 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48EB4236.1060100@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <532480950809221641y3471267esff82a14be8056586@mail.gmail.com>

Michael Rubin wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Andrew Morton
> <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>> One thing to think about please: Michael Rubin is hitting problems with
>> the existing /proc/sys/vm/dirty-ratio.  Its present granularity of 1%
>> is just too coarse for really large machines, and as
>> memory-size/disk-speed ratios continue to increase, this will just get
>> worse.
> 
> Re-sending since I top-posted before. Never again. Also adding more
> thoughts on a byte based interface.
> 
> Currently the problem we are hitting is that we cannot specify pdflush
> to have background limits less than 1% of memory. I am currently
> finishing up a patch right now that adds a dirty_ratio_millis
> interface.  I hope to submit the patch to LKML by the end of the week.
> 
> The idea is that we don't want to break backwards compatibility and we
> also don't want to have two conflicting knobs in the sysctl or
> /proc/sys/vm/ space. I thought adding a new knob for those who want to
> specify finer grained functionality was a compromise. So the patch has
> a vm_dirty_ratio and a vm_dirty_ratio_millis interface. The first to
> specify 0-100% and the second to specify .0 to .999%.
> 
> So to represent 0.125% of RAM we set
> vm_dirty_ratio = 0
> vm_dirty_ratio_millis = 125
> 
> The same for the background_ratio.
> 
> I would also prefer using a bytes interface but I am not sure how to
> offer that without  either removing the legacy interface of the ratios
> or by offering a concurrent interface that might be confusing such as
> when users are looking at the old one and not aware of a new one.
> 

Just provide a vm_dirty_ration_in_bytes interface and keep it in sync with
vm_dirty_ratio (they are just two representations of the same internal value)
and for higher resolution propose that users use the bytes interface.



-- 
	Balbir

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-07 11:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-12 15:09 [RFC] [PATCH -mm 0/2] memcg: per cgroup dirty_ratio Andrea Righi
     [not found] ` <1221232192-13553-1-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-12 20:18   ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-12 20:18     ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-12 23:04     ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]       ` <48CAF583.8060406-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-12 23:10         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-12 23:10           ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-22 22:26           ` Michael Rubin
     [not found]           ` <20080912161050.5b6b4065.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 22:26             ` Michael Rubin
     [not found]     ` <20080912131816.e0cfac7a.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-12 23:04       ` Andrea Righi
2008-09-22 23:41       ` Michael Rubin
2008-09-22 23:41     ` Michael Rubin
2008-09-23 12:50       ` Andrea Righi
2008-09-23 17:48       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 20:21         ` Michael Rubin
     [not found]           ` <532480950809231321g7be0dd09pe6a32426b361e676-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24  6:59             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-24  6:59           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]         ` <20080924024437.DC21.KOSAKI.MOTOHIRO-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-23 20:21           ` Michael Rubin
2008-10-07 10:35           ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-07 10:35         ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-07 11:04       ` Balbir Singh [this message]
     [not found]         ` <48EB4236.1060100-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-07 15:49           ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-07 15:49         ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-08  1:16           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-10-08 13:13             ` Balbir Singh
2008-10-09 15:29               ` [PATCH -mm] page-writeback: fine-grained dirty_ratio and dirty_background_ratio Andrea Righi
2008-10-09 15:29                 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-10  0:41                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-10-10  0:41                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-10-10  9:32                   ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-10  9:32                     ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-10 13:13                     ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-10 13:13                       ` Andrea Righi
2008-11-10 20:58                 ` [PATCH -mm] mm: fine-grained dirty_ratio_pcm and dirty_background_ratio_pcm (v2) Andrea Righi
2008-11-10 20:58                   ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]                   ` <4918A074.1050003-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-10 21:12                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 21:12                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 21:12                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:03                       ` Andrea Righi
2008-11-10 22:03                         ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]                         ` <4918AFA1.4000102-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-10 22:12                           ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:12                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:12                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:15                           ` David Rientjes
2008-11-10 22:15                             ` David Rientjes
2008-11-10 22:15                             ` David Rientjes
     [not found]             ` <20081008101642.fcfb9186.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-08 13:13               ` [RFC] [PATCH -mm 0/2] memcg: per cgroup dirty_ratio Balbir Singh
     [not found]           ` <48EB851D.2030300-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-08  1:16             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]       ` <532480950809221641y3471267esff82a14be8056586-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-23 12:50         ` Andrea Righi
2008-09-23 17:48         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-10-07 11:04         ` Balbir Singh
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-09-12 15:09 Andrea Righi

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