From: Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] mm: fine-grained dirty_ratio_pcm and dirty_background_ratio_pcm (v2)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:12:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081110131255.ce71ce60.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4918A074.1050003-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:58:28 +0100
Andrea Righi <righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> The current granularity of 5% of dirtyable memory for dirty pages writeback is
> too coarse for large memory machines and this will get worse as
> memory-size/disk-speed ratio continues to increase.
>
> These large writebacks can be unpleasant for desktop or latency-sensitive
> environments, where the time to complete each writeback can be perceived as a
> lack of responsiveness by the whole system.
>
> Following there's a similar solution as discussed in [1], but a little
> bit simplified in order to provide the same functionality (in particular
> to avoid backward compatibility problems) and reduce the amount of code
> needed to implement an in-kernel parser to handle percentages with
> decimals digits.
>
> The kernel provides the following parameters:
> - dirty_ratio, dirty_background_ratio in percentage (1 ... 100)
> - dirty_ratio_pcm, dirty_background_ratio_pcm in units of percent mille (1 ... 100,000)
hm, so how long until dirty_ratio_pcm becomes too coarse...
What happened to the idea of specifying these in units of kilobytes?
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Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] mm: fine-grained dirty_ratio_pcm and dirty_background_ratio_pcm (v2)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:12:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081110131255.ce71ce60.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4918A074.1050003@gmail.com>
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:58:28 +0100
Andrea Righi <righi.andrea@gmail.com> wrote:
> The current granularity of 5% of dirtyable memory for dirty pages writeback is
> too coarse for large memory machines and this will get worse as
> memory-size/disk-speed ratio continues to increase.
>
> These large writebacks can be unpleasant for desktop or latency-sensitive
> environments, where the time to complete each writeback can be perceived as a
> lack of responsiveness by the whole system.
>
> Following there's a similar solution as discussed in [1], but a little
> bit simplified in order to provide the same functionality (in particular
> to avoid backward compatibility problems) and reduce the amount of code
> needed to implement an in-kernel parser to handle percentages with
> decimals digits.
>
> The kernel provides the following parameters:
> - dirty_ratio, dirty_background_ratio in percentage (1 ... 100)
> - dirty_ratio_pcm, dirty_background_ratio_pcm in units of percent mille (1 ... 100,000)
hm, so how long until dirty_ratio_pcm becomes too coarse...
What happened to the idea of specifying these in units of kilobytes?
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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: righi.andrea@gmail.com
Cc: kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, rientjes@google.com,
balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com, mrubin@google.com, menage@google.com,
dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com, chlunde@ping.uio.no, dpshah@google.com,
eric.rannaud@gmail.com, fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp,
agk@sourceware.org, m.innocenti@cineca.it,
s-uchida@ap.jp.nec.com, ryov@valinux.co.jp, matt@bluehost.com,
dradford@bluehost.com, kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
containers@lists.osdl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] mm: fine-grained dirty_ratio_pcm and dirty_background_ratio_pcm (v2)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:12:55 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081110131255.ce71ce60.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4918A074.1050003@gmail.com>
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:58:28 +0100
Andrea Righi <righi.andrea@gmail.com> wrote:
> The current granularity of 5% of dirtyable memory for dirty pages writeback is
> too coarse for large memory machines and this will get worse as
> memory-size/disk-speed ratio continues to increase.
>
> These large writebacks can be unpleasant for desktop or latency-sensitive
> environments, where the time to complete each writeback can be perceived as a
> lack of responsiveness by the whole system.
>
> Following there's a similar solution as discussed in [1], but a little
> bit simplified in order to provide the same functionality (in particular
> to avoid backward compatibility problems) and reduce the amount of code
> needed to implement an in-kernel parser to handle percentages with
> decimals digits.
>
> The kernel provides the following parameters:
> - dirty_ratio, dirty_background_ratio in percentage (1 ... 100)
> - dirty_ratio_pcm, dirty_background_ratio_pcm in units of percent mille (1 ... 100,000)
hm, so how long until dirty_ratio_pcm becomes too coarse...
What happened to the idea of specifying these in units of kilobytes?
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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-12 15:09 [RFC] [PATCH -mm 0/2] memcg: per cgroup dirty_ratio Andrea Righi
[not found] ` <1221232192-13553-1-git-send-email-righi.andrea-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-12 20:18 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-12 20:18 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20080912131816.e0cfac7a.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-12 23:04 ` Andrea Righi
2008-09-22 23:41 ` Michael Rubin
2008-09-12 23:04 ` Andrea Righi
[not found] ` <48CAF583.8060406-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-12 23:10 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-12 23:10 ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-22 22:26 ` Michael Rubin
[not found] ` <20080912161050.5b6b4065.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 22:26 ` Michael Rubin
2008-09-22 23:41 ` Michael Rubin
[not found] ` <532480950809221641y3471267esff82a14be8056586-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-23 12:50 ` Andrea Righi
2008-09-23 17:48 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-10-07 11:04 ` Balbir Singh
2008-09-23 12:50 ` Andrea Righi
2008-09-23 17:48 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 20:21 ` Michael Rubin
[not found] ` <532480950809231321g7be0dd09pe6a32426b361e676-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 6:59 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-24 6:59 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
[not found] ` <20080924024437.DC21.KOSAKI.MOTOHIRO-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-23 20:21 ` Michael Rubin
2008-10-07 10:35 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-07 10:35 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-07 11:04 ` Balbir Singh
[not found] ` <48EB4236.1060100-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-07 15:49 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-07 15:49 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-08 1:16 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-10-08 13:13 ` Balbir Singh
2008-10-09 15:29 ` [PATCH -mm] page-writeback: fine-grained dirty_ratio and dirty_background_ratio Andrea Righi
2008-10-09 15:29 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-10 0:41 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-10-10 0:41 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-10-10 9:32 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-10 9:32 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-10 13:13 ` Andrea Righi
2008-10-10 13:13 ` Andrea Righi
2008-11-10 20:58 ` [PATCH -mm] mm: fine-grained dirty_ratio_pcm and dirty_background_ratio_pcm (v2) Andrea Righi
2008-11-10 20:58 ` Andrea Righi
[not found] ` <4918A074.1050003-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-10 21:12 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-11-10 21:12 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 21:12 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:03 ` Andrea Righi
2008-11-10 22:03 ` Andrea Righi
[not found] ` <4918AFA1.4000102-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-10 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-10 22:15 ` David Rientjes
2008-11-10 22:15 ` David Rientjes
2008-11-10 22:15 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <20081008101642.fcfb9186.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-08 13:13 ` [RFC] [PATCH -mm 0/2] memcg: per cgroup dirty_ratio Balbir Singh
[not found] ` <48EB851D.2030300-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-08 1:16 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
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