From: Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@redhat.com>,
Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
Ryan Harper <ryanh@us.ibm.com>,
Laurent Vivier <Laurent.Vivier@bull.net>,
kvm-devel <kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Disk integrity in QEMU
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:42:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48F2EDEB.5040906@aurel32.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48F2ADD9.9000804@redhat.com>
Mark Wagner a écrit :
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Mark Wagner wrote:
>>> If you stopped and listened to yourself, you'd see that you are making
>>> my point...
>>>
>>> AFAIK, QEMU is neither designed nor intended to be an Enterprise
>>> Storage Array,
>>> I thought this group is designing a virtualization layer. However,
>>> the persistent
>>> argument is that since Enterprise Storage products will often
>>> acknowledge a write
>>> before the data is actually on the disk, its OK for QEMU to do the same.
>> I think you're a little lost in this thread. We're going to have QEMU
>> only acknowledge writes when they complete. I've already sent out a
>> patch. Just waiting a couple days to let everyone give their input.
>>
> Actually, I'm just don't being clear enough in trying to point out that I
> don't think just setting a default value for "cache" goes far enough. My
> argument has nothing to do with the default value. It has to do with what the
> right thing to do is in specific situations regardless of the value of the
> cache setting.
>
> My point is that if a file is opened in the guest with the O_DIRECT (or O_DSYNC)
> then QEMU *must* honor that regardless of whatever value the current value of
> "cache" is.
>
> So, if the system admin for the host decides to set cache=on and something
> in the guest opens a file with O_DIRECT, I feel that it is a violation
> of the system call for the host to cache the write in its local cache w/o
> sending it immediately to the storage subsystem. It must get an ACK from
> the storage subsystem before it can return to the guest in order to preserve
> the guarantee.
>
> So, if your proposed default value for the cache is in effect, then O_DSYNC
> should provide the write-thru required by the guests use of O_DIRECT on the
> writes. However, if the default cache value is not used and its set to
> cache=on, and if the guest is using O_DIRECT or O_DSYNC, I feel there are
> issues that need to be addressed.
>
Everybody agrees that we should support data integrity *by default*. But
please admit that some persons have different needs than yours, and
actually *want* to lie to the guest. We should propose such and option,
with a *big warning*.
--
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-13 6:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-09 17:00 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Disk integrity in QEMU Anthony Liguori
2008-10-10 7:54 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-10-10 8:12 ` Mark McLoughlin
2008-10-12 23:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-14 17:15 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 9:32 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 23:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-10 8:11 ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-10-10 12:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-10 12:53 ` Paul Brook
2008-10-10 13:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-10 14:05 ` Paul Brook
2008-10-10 14:19 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-17 13:14 ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19 9:13 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 15:48 ` Aurelien Jarno
2008-10-10 9:16 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 9:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2008-10-10 10:26 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 12:59 ` Paul Brook
2008-10-10 13:20 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 12:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-10 12:56 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-11 9:07 ` andrzej zaborowski
2008-10-11 17:54 ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-11 20:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 0:43 ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-12 1:50 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-12 1:50 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-12 16:22 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-12 16:22 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-12 17:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 18:14 ` nuitari-qemu
2008-10-13 0:27 ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-13 1:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-13 2:09 ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-13 3:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-13 6:42 ` Aurelien Jarno [this message]
2008-10-13 14:38 ` Steve Ofsthun
2008-10-12 0:44 ` Chris Wright
2008-10-12 10:21 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 14:37 ` Dor Laor
2008-10-12 14:37 ` Dor Laor
2008-10-12 15:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-12 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 18:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 18:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-15 10:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-10-15 10:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-10-12 17:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 18:34 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 19:33 ` Izik Eidus
2008-10-12 19:33 ` Izik Eidus
2008-10-14 17:08 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-14 17:08 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 19:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-12 20:43 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 21:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-14 15:21 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-14 15:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-14 15:43 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-14 19:25 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-16 9:47 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-12 10:12 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-17 13:20 ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19 9:01 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 18:10 ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19 18:23 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 19:17 ` M. Warner Losh
2008-10-19 19:31 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 18:24 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 18:36 ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19 19:11 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-19 19:30 ` Jens Axboe
2008-10-19 20:16 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-20 14:14 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-10 10:03 ` Fabrice Bellard
2008-10-13 16:11 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-13 16:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-13 17:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-13 17:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Ryan Harper
2008-10-13 18:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-14 16:42 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-13 18:51 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-13 19:43 ` Ryan Harper
2008-10-13 20:21 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-13 21:05 ` Ryan Harper
2008-10-15 13:10 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-16 10:24 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-16 13:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-16 16:08 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-17 12:48 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-17 13:17 ` Laurent Vivier
2008-10-14 10:05 ` Kevin Wolf
2008-10-14 14:32 ` Ryan Harper
2008-10-14 16:37 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-13 19:00 ` Mark Wagner
2008-10-13 19:15 ` Ryan Harper
2008-10-14 16:49 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-13 17:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rik van Riel
2008-10-13 18:22 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-13 18:34 ` Rik van Riel
2008-10-14 1:56 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-10-14 2:28 ` nuitari-qemu
2008-10-28 17:34 ` Ian Jackson
2008-10-28 17:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-10-28 17:50 ` Ian Jackson
2008-10-28 18:19 ` Jamie Lokier
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