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From: James Courtier-Dutton <James@superbug.co.uk>
To: "Alexander E. Patrakov" <patrakov@gmail.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
Subject: Re: Backported sbxfi driver, possible fix
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:08:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49061FA4.5010201@superbug.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ge3irb$knf$1@ger.gmane.org>

Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
> Takashi Iwai wrote:
> 
>> Note: 44.1kHz is possible, but is more complex because it uses a method
>> whereby the channel ring marks each sample in the channel ring as valid
>> or not, so to get 44.1kHz, some samples are simply tagged invalid. The
>> "channel ring" is not the ring buffer that is used to get sound samples
>> to the card. The "channel ring" is used to pass samples between
>> different processing modules on the card. One of these processing
>> modules is the SRC, another is the INs/OUTs, another is the hardware
>> mixer, and yet another is the DSP.
> 
> Do I understand correctly that the card internally resamples the sound 
> to a different rate using the zero-order-hold method? If so, I'd rather 
> not see this feature at all unless the "i_want_horrible_sound" parameter 
> is passed, because software can do it better, and some program will 
> surely default to using this hardware misfeature.
> 


Alex,

I added that comment (takashi cut and pasted my text). No resampling is
done.
Say you have a buffer that is running at 48kHz.
So you have say 480 samples at the 48kHz rate.
But if you want to transfer 44.1kHz rate samples over it, you only want
441 samples to be there, so what to do with the left over 39 samples.
What the xfi does is next to each sample it adds a "valid" tag.
So, the xfi adds those 39 samples but marks them as "invalid".
The xfi then drops the 39 "invalid" samples, leaving only the 441
"valid" samples just before sending them at 44.1kHz to the DAC.
Does this explain things a bit better.
FYI, the xfi actually works internally at 384kHz, so it is actually
marking a lot of samples as "invalid".

Kind Regards

James

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-27 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-09 18:02 Backported sbxfi driver (UNTESTED!) Takashi Iwai
2008-10-09 18:12 ` Brendan Pike
2008-10-09 18:25 ` Ted T. Logian
2008-10-09 18:25 ` William Pitcock
2008-10-09 18:49 ` Ted T. Logian
2008-10-09 19:50 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-10-10  6:02   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-09 20:03 ` Ted T. Logian
2008-10-09 20:17 ` Ted T. Logian
2008-10-10  6:01   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-10  6:26     ` Ted T. Logian
2008-10-10  6:46       ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-10 18:17         ` William Pitcock
2008-10-11 16:01           ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-11 17:36             ` William Pitcock
2008-10-11 17:39               ` William Pitcock
2008-10-11 17:41               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-11 17:43                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-11 18:04                 ` William Pitcock
2008-10-12 19:34                   ` Takashi Iwai
     [not found]                     ` <e4b753d00810121816i133141d5te6a4d638044f3875@mail.gmail.com>
2008-10-13  2:08                       ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-13  9:51                     ` Takashi Iwai
     [not found]         ` <6d00fe310810100939h6cd61e0cg7817c7f54f6261f6@mail.gmail.com>
2008-10-10 16:41           ` Fwd: " The Source
2008-10-11 15:47           ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-11 16:03             ` Ted T. Logian
2008-10-11 17:32               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-12  8:41                 ` Vedran Miletić
2008-10-12  8:48                   ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-10-12  9:43                     ` The Source
2008-10-12  8:44                 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-10-13  9:52                   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-11 16:28             ` The Source
2008-10-11 17:34               ` Takashi Iwai
2009-06-10  8:39       ` problems with fedora 11 and pulseaudio and svn x-fi driver Ted T. Logan
2009-06-10  8:52         ` Ted T. Logan
2009-06-10  9:29           ` Takashi Iwai
2009-06-10 16:23             ` Ted T. Logan
2009-06-10 16:48             ` Ted T. Logan
2009-06-11 14:48             ` Ted T. Logan
2009-06-12 16:46             ` "ticks" with latest " Ted T. Logan
2008-10-16 12:03 ` Backported sbxfi driver (UNTESTED!) Jan Wolf
2008-10-16 12:33   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-16 12:56     ` Xarteras
2008-10-16 13:36       ` The Source
2008-10-16 13:48         ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-16 14:15           ` The Source
2008-10-16 14:18             ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-16 14:41               ` The Source
2008-10-16 14:42                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-16 14:51                   ` The Source
2008-10-16 15:00                   ` The Source
2008-10-16 15:04                     ` Takashi Iwai
     [not found]                       ` <48F75892.8000209@gmail.com>
2008-10-16 15:15                         ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-16 17:53                           ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-16 18:02                             ` The Source
2008-10-16 18:18                           ` The Source
2008-10-17  6:17                             ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-17  6:26                               ` The Source
2008-10-17  6:39                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-17  7:16                                   ` The Source
2008-10-17  8:17                                   ` The Source
2008-10-17  9:00                                   ` Xarteras
2008-10-17  9:17                                     ` The Source
2008-10-17  9:25                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-17  9:23                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-17  9:50                                       ` Xarteras
2008-10-17 10:00                                         ` Tony Vroon
2008-10-17 10:35                                           ` Xarteras
2008-10-17 15:33                                             ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-17  7:57                               ` The Source
2008-10-17  9:35                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-17  9:58                                   ` The Source
2008-10-17  9:59                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-17 10:01                                       ` The Source
2008-10-17 10:04                                         ` Takashi Iwai
     [not found]                                           ` <48F86606.9070108@gmail.com>
2008-10-17 10:27                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-17 20:48                                               ` William Pitcock
2008-10-18 10:06                                               ` Xarteras
2008-10-18 15:06                                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-18 17:10                                                   ` William Pitcock
2008-10-18 17:17                                                     ` William Pitcock
2008-10-19  7:59                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-19 18:07                                                         ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-19 19:47                                                           ` William Pitcock
2008-10-16 21:29           ` Xarteras
2008-10-17 18:16             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-10-22 15:24           ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-22 15:26             ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-22 16:07               ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-22 16:24                 ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-22 19:25                   ` The Source
2008-10-23  5:40                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 11:46                       ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-23 11:53                         ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 13:56                           ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 12:45                             ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 13:07                               ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-23 13:21                                 ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 15:54                               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 14:23                                 ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 17:07                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 17:15                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 15:37                                       ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 15:40                                         ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-23 17:44                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 17:49                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 16:23                                             ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 19:14                                               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 17:32                                                 ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 21:30                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 20:17                                                     ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-24  8:40                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-24  7:56                                                         ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-24 10:21                                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-24  8:50                                                             ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-25 13:06                                                             ` Backported sbxfi driver, possible fix Thomas Scheunemann
2008-10-25 16:05                                                               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-25 19:42                                                                 ` Thomas Scheunemann
2008-10-25 19:59                                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-25 20:40                                                                     ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-25 21:57                                                                       ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-26  6:32                                                                         ` The Source
2008-10-26  8:23                                                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-26  9:11                                                                             ` The Source
2008-10-26  9:17                                                                             ` The Source
2008-10-26  6:45                                                                         ` The Source
2008-10-26  6:56                                                                         ` The Source
2008-10-26  7:22                                                                           ` The Source
2008-10-26  8:21                                                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-27  5:15                                                                           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2008-10-27  5:32                                                                             ` The Source
2008-10-27  6:28                                                                               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-27  6:34                                                                                 ` The Source
2008-10-27  6:39                                                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-28  0:10                                                                                 ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-28  7:14                                                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-28 13:48                                                                                     ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-28 14:12                                                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-30 10:46                                                                                         ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-30 11:05                                                                                           ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-30 11:07                                                                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-30 12:25                                                                                               ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-10-28  6:59                                                                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-27  6:36                                                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-27 20:08                                                                             ` James Courtier-Dutton [this message]
2008-10-28  4:44                                                                               ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2008-10-28  9:31                                                                               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-28 10:53                                                                               ` Vedran Miletić
2008-10-29  8:38                                                                               ` Pavel Hofman
2008-10-26  8:16                                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-26  8:45                                                                         ` Backported sbxfi driver. Pulse works! Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 17:26                                       ` Backported sbxfi driver (UNTESTED!) Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 15:31                                         ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 17:41                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2008-10-23 14:48                                 ` Jason Harvey
2008-10-23 13:54                         ` Takashi Iwai

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