From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: gleb@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] AF_VMCHANNEL address family for guest<->host communication.
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:02:23 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4946717F.2090809@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081214.224436.55256593.davem@davemloft.net>
David Miller wrote:
> From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:50:55 +0200
>
>
>> It is undesirable to use TCP/IP for this purpose since network
>> connectivity may not exist between host and guest and if it exists the
>> traffic can be not routable between host and guest for security reasons
>> or TCP/IP traffic can be firewalled (by mistake) by unsuspecting VM user.
>>
>
> I don't really accept this argument, sorry.
>
I couldn't agree more. That doesn't mean I don't think this isn't
valuable though.
Each of these sockets are going to be connected to a backend (to
implement guest<=>copy/paste for instance). We want to implement those
backends in userspace and preferably in QEMU.
Using some raw protocol over ethernet means you don't have reliability.
If you use a protocol to get reliability (like TCP), you now have to
implement a full TCP/IP stack in userspace or get the host kernel
involved. I'd rather not get the host kernel involved from a security
perspective.
An inherently reliable socket transport solves the above problem while
keeping things simple. Note, this is not a new concept. There is
already an AF_IUCV for s390. VMware is also developing an AF_VMCI
socket family.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-12-15 15:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-12-14 11:50 [PATCH] AF_VMCHANNEL address family for guest<->host communication Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 12:23 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-14 12:46 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 12:46 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 12:23 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-15 6:44 ` David Miller
2008-12-15 7:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-15 7:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-15 8:27 ` David Miller
2008-12-15 8:27 ` David Miller
2008-12-15 15:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 15:02 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2008-12-15 17:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 18:26 ` Itamar Heim
2008-12-15 18:26 ` Itamar Heim
2008-12-15 18:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 18:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 22:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 22:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 23:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 23:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 23:52 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16 0:01 ` Dor Laor
2008-12-16 0:01 ` Dor Laor
2008-12-15 23:52 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-15 17:45 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 19:43 ` David Miller
2008-12-15 19:43 ` David Miller
2008-12-15 20:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 22:29 ` David Miller
2008-12-15 22:29 ` David Miller
2008-12-15 23:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:10 ` David Miller
2008-12-15 23:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-16 2:55 ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-16 2:55 ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-15 23:10 ` David Miller
2008-12-15 23:13 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-12-15 23:13 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-12-15 23:45 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16 6:57 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-16 21:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16 23:20 ` Dor Laor
2008-12-16 23:20 ` Dor Laor
2008-12-17 14:31 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-17 14:31 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-18 12:30 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-18 12:30 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16 21:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16 6:57 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-15 23:45 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-15 20:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 6:44 ` David Miller
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-14 11:50 Gleb Natapov
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