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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: gleb@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] AF_VMCHANNEL address family for guest<->host communication.
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:02:23 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4946717F.2090809@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081214.224436.55256593.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller wrote:
> From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:50:55 +0200
>
>   
>> It is undesirable to use TCP/IP for this purpose since network
>> connectivity may not exist between host and guest and if it exists the
>> traffic can be not routable between host and guest for security reasons
>> or TCP/IP traffic can be firewalled (by mistake) by unsuspecting VM user.
>>     
>
> I don't really accept this argument, sorry.
>   

I couldn't agree more.  That doesn't mean I don't think this isn't 
valuable though.

Each of these sockets are going to be connected to a backend (to 
implement guest<=>copy/paste for instance).  We want to implement those 
backends in userspace and preferably in QEMU.

Using some raw protocol over ethernet means you don't have reliability.  
If you use a protocol to get reliability (like TCP), you now have to 
implement a full TCP/IP stack in userspace or get the host kernel 
involved.  I'd rather not get the host kernel involved from a security 
perspective.

An inherently reliable socket transport solves the above problem while 
keeping things simple.  Note, this is not a new concept.  There is 
already an AF_IUCV for s390.  VMware is also developing an AF_VMCI 
socket family.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-12-15 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-14 11:50 [PATCH] AF_VMCHANNEL address family for guest<->host communication Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 12:23 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-14 12:46   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 12:46   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-14 12:23 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-15  6:44 ` David Miller
2008-12-15  7:48   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-15  7:48   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-15  8:27     ` David Miller
2008-12-15  8:27     ` David Miller
2008-12-15 15:02   ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 15:02   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2008-12-15 17:45     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 18:26       ` Itamar Heim
2008-12-15 18:26       ` Itamar Heim
2008-12-15 18:45       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 18:45       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 22:52         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 22:52         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 23:08           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:08           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:44             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 23:44             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 23:52             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16  0:01               ` Dor Laor
2008-12-16  0:01               ` Dor Laor
2008-12-15 23:52             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-15 17:45     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-12-15 19:43     ` David Miller
2008-12-15 19:43     ` David Miller
2008-12-15 20:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 22:29         ` David Miller
2008-12-15 22:29         ` David Miller
2008-12-15 23:01           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:01           ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:10             ` David Miller
2008-12-15 23:17               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15 23:17               ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-16  2:55                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-16  2:55                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-15 23:10             ` David Miller
2008-12-15 23:13             ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-12-15 23:13             ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-12-15 23:45             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16  6:57               ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-16 21:25                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16 23:20                   ` Dor Laor
2008-12-16 23:20                   ` Dor Laor
2008-12-17 14:31                   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-17 14:31                   ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-18 12:30                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-18 12:30                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16 21:25                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-16  6:57               ` Gleb Natapov
2008-12-15 23:45             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-15 20:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-12-15  6:44 ` David Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-14 11:50 Gleb Natapov

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