From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xen: core dom0 support
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:42:35 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49AB2B7B.2000103@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49AB24E0.5020604@zytor.com>
H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>> In this particular case, this is actually false. "No PAT" in the
>>> processor is *not* the same thing as "no cacheability controls in
>>> the page tables". Every processor since the 386 has had UC, WT, and
>>> WB controls in the page tables; PAT only added the ability to do WC
>>> (and WP, which we don't use). Since the number of processors which
>>> can do WC at all but don't have PAT is a small set of increasingly
>>> obsolete processors, we may very well choose to simply ignore the WC
>>> capabilities of these particular processors.
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with "this is actually
>> false". Certainly we support cachability control in ptes under Xen.
>> We just don't support full PAT because Xen uses PAT for itself.
>>
>
> What do you define as "full PAT"? If what you mean is that Xen lays
> claims to the PAT MSR and only allows a certain mapping that's hardly
> a problem... other than that it's not an exhaustible resource so I
> guess I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.
It does not allow guests to set their own PAT MSRs. It can't easily be
multiplexed either, as all CPUs must have the same settings for their
PAT MSRs. I guess it could be handled by allowing domains to set their
own virtual PAT MSRs, and then rewriting the ptes to convert from the
guest PAT settings to Xen's, but I don't know if this is possible in
general (and it poses some problems because the pte modifications would
be guest-visible).
J
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xen: core dom0 support
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:42:35 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49AB2B7B.2000103@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49AB24E0.5020604@zytor.com>
H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>> In this particular case, this is actually false. "No PAT" in the
>>> processor is *not* the same thing as "no cacheability controls in
>>> the page tables". Every processor since the 386 has had UC, WT, and
>>> WB controls in the page tables; PAT only added the ability to do WC
>>> (and WP, which we don't use). Since the number of processors which
>>> can do WC at all but don't have PAT is a small set of increasingly
>>> obsolete processors, we may very well choose to simply ignore the WC
>>> capabilities of these particular processors.
>>
>> I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with "this is actually
>> false". Certainly we support cachability control in ptes under Xen.
>> We just don't support full PAT because Xen uses PAT for itself.
>>
>
> What do you define as "full PAT"? If what you mean is that Xen lays
> claims to the PAT MSR and only allows a certain mapping that's hardly
> a problem... other than that it's not an exhaustible resource so I
> guess I really don't understand what you're trying to say here.
It does not allow guests to set their own PAT MSRs. It can't easily be
multiplexed either, as all CPUs must have the same settings for their
PAT MSRs. I guess it could be handled by allowing domains to set their
own virtual PAT MSRs, and then rewriting the ptes to convert from the
guest PAT settings to Xen's, but I don't know if this is possible in
general (and it poses some problems because the pte modifications would
be guest-visible).
J
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-02 0:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-02-28 1:59 [PATCH] xen: core dom0 support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen dom0: Make hvc_xen console work for dom0 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen dom0: Initialize xenbus " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen dom0: Set up basic IO permissions " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen-dom0: only selectively disable cpu features Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen dom0: Add support for the platform_ops hypercall Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen mtrr: Add mtrr_ops support for Xen mtrr Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen: disable PAT Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen/dom0: use _PAGE_IOMAP in ioremap to do machine mappings Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] paravirt/xen: add pvop for page_is_ram Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-10 1:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-10 21:19 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-10 21:19 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-10 22:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-10 22:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-10 22:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen/dom0: Use host E820 map Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen: implement XENMEM_machphys_mapping Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen: clear reserved bits in l3 entries given in the initial pagetables Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen/dom0: add XEN_DOM0 config option Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen: allow enable use of VGA console on dom0 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen mtrr: Use specific cpu_has_foo macros instead of generic cpu_has() Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen mtrr: Kill some unneccessary includes Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen mtrr: Use generic_validate_add_page() Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen mtrr: Implement xen_get_free_region() Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 1:59 ` [PATCH] xen mtrr: Add xen_{get,set}_mtrr() implementations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 5:28 ` [PATCH] xen: core dom0 support Andrew Morton
2009-02-28 6:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 6:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 7:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 7:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 8:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 8:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 8:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 8:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 9:57 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 9:57 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-02 9:26 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-03-02 9:26 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-03-02 12:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-02 12:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-02 12:26 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-03-02 12:26 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-02-28 12:09 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-28 12:09 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-28 18:11 ` [Xen-devel] " Jody Belka
2009-02-28 18:11 ` Jody Belka
2009-02-28 18:15 ` Andi Kleen
2009-03-01 23:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-01 23:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-02 0:14 ` Andi Kleen
2009-03-01 23:27 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-01 23:27 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-02 6:37 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-02 6:37 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-02 8:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-02 8:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-02 8:19 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-02 8:19 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-02 9:05 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-04 17:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-03-04 17:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-03-04 17:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-04 17:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-05 10:59 ` [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2009-03-05 10:59 ` George Dunlap
2009-03-05 14:37 ` [Xen-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-03-05 14:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-03-04 17:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-03-04 17:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-03-04 19:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-03-04 19:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-04 19:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-03-04 19:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-02-28 16:14 ` Andi Kleen
2009-03-01 23:34 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-01 23:34 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-01 23:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-02 0:08 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-02 0:08 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-02 0:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-02 0:42 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2009-03-02 0:42 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-02 0:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-02 0:10 ` Andi Kleen
2009-02-28 8:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 8:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-28 9:46 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 9:46 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-02 12:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-02 12:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-07 9:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-07 9:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-08 11:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-08 11:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-08 21:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-08 22:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-08 22:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-08 22:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-08 22:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-08 22:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-09 18:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-09 18:06 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-10 12:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 12:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-10 12:49 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-10 12:49 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-05 13:52 ` Morten P.D. Stevens
2009-03-08 14:25 ` Manfred Knick
2009-03-09 19:51 ` Morten P.D. Stevens
2009-03-09 20:00 ` Morten P.D. Stevens
2009-02-28 6:17 ` Boris Derzhavets
2009-02-28 6:23 ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 6:23 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-02-28 6:28 ` Boris Derzhavets
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-03-11 19:58 devzero
2009-03-14 1:08 ` Morten P.D. Stevens
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