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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Yinghai Lu <yinghai@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Latest brk patchset
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:09:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49BC9BAC.6090201@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49BC4DB6.9070403@zytor.com>

H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>   
>>> It really doesn't make much sense to me, and is more than a bit
>>> confusing given the symbols.
>>>       
>> Mostly because I knew that the bss would get mapped into the appropriate
>> phdr segment correctly, but I wasn't sure that another bss-like section
>> would be.
>>     
>
> It will; in fact if they are adjacent then ld will typically merge the
> PHDRs.
>
>   
>> Also because historically the brk segment was just an
>> extension of the executable's bss, and its more or less the same too.
>>     
>
> An extension of, yes, but not a part of.
>
>   
>> Is there any real benefit in putting it into another section?
>>     
>
> Well, the semantics are different; the .bss section is zeroed while the
> brk isn't,
Traditionally, brk is always zeroed.  extend_brk() zeros the memory it 
returns (to be consistent with bootmem, and to make it easier to migrate 
from bss -> brk).

>  and the brk symbols don't necessarily point to the data
> associated with those particular symbols, unlike (of course) the bss.
>   

Yes, its a bit of a pitfall.  I guess the symbols are useful as a way to 
identify brk users just from looking at the vmlinux, but they're not 
really all that useful.  I'm half thinking we should put some non-C 
identifier characters in them to make sure that C code can never refer 
to them.

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-15  6:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-14 23:43 Latest brk patchset H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-15  0:32 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-15  0:37   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-15  6:09     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2009-03-15  6:29     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-15 20:38       ` [crash] " Ingo Molnar
2009-03-15 20:42         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-15 21:19         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-15 21:28           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-15 23:28             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-16  8:54               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-16 16:12                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-16 16:56                   ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-16 17:20                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-16 17:54                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-16 18:15                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-16 18:17                       ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-16 18:22                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-16 18:31                           ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-16 18:17                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-16 19:25                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-16 19:34                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-16 19:48                           ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-16 20:00                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-16 20:26                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-16 20:59                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-16 21:14                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-16 21:31                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-16 22:35                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-17  2:26                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-17  4:00                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-17  5:07                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-17 16:04                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-17 19:42                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-17 19:45                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-17 19:59                                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-17 21:19                                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-17 21:28                                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-17 19:47                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-22 15:09                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-22 17:12                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-22 17:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-22 21:48                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-23 16:39                         ` [tip:x86/setup] x86/dmi: fix dmi_alloc() section mismatches Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-15  1:37   ` Latest brk patchset H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-15  4:43     ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-15  4:51       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-03-15  5:33         ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-15  6:05           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-15  6:25             ` Yinghai Lu
2009-03-15  6:03     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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