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From: Eamon Walsh <ewalsh@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>
Cc: method@manicmethod.com, selinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Expose avc_netlink_loop() for applications (Re: Some ideas in SE-PostgreSQL enhancement)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:54:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49CD752D.1070104@tycho.nsa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49CC1F3B.1040906@ak.jp.nec.com>

KaiGai Kohei wrote:

[snip]

> I have two minor and major concern with this approach.
>
> The minor one is it consumes unnecessary memory due to avc_init().
> Because of some reasons, SE-PostgreSQL implements its own userspace
> AVC, so this region is purely waste of space.
>   

avc_init() does set up the cache but it remains empty since it is not
used by the worker process for any lookups. I don't think the memory
overhead of an empty cache should be that large. But see below.


> The major one is we cannot handle them in a sindle lock section.
> When the application is callbacked via AVC_CALLBACK_SETENFORCE,
> it will change the state of enforcing/permissive, and it resets
> its own avc on AVC_CALLBACK_RESET. But I would like to handle
> these operations in a single lock section.
>
> If we reset the avc on AVC_CALLBACK_SETENFORCE, it finally
> resets the avc twice on a single message. It is also unconfortable.
>
> The design of callbacks (via selinux_set_callback()) can be
> considerable, but I don't think it is a good idea to hide
> the netlink stuff here.
>
> In my patch, it adds SELINUX_CB_NETLINK for any messages.
> But, if it would be SELINUX_CB_SETENFORCE and SELINUX_CB_POLICYLOAD,
> we don't need to refer any netlink related stuffs from applications.
>
> What is your opinion?
>   


Considering your point, I'd rather create SETENFORCE and POLICYLOAD
callbacks for selinux_set_callback(). However, they should be called in
addition to the normal processing in avc_netlink_process(), not
replacing the code flow. The savings from not updating a few globals and
calling avc_ss_reset (which returns immediately if the userspace AVC is
not running) are not that big.

You could optionally make avc_netlink_open() and avc_netlink_close()
public functions, which would allow to avoid calling avc_init().



-- 
Eamon Walsh <ewalsh@tycho.nsa.gov>
National Security Agency


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  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-28  0:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-23 10:37 The status of SE-PostgreSQL KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-23 10:37 ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-23 14:56 ` Shaz
2009-03-23 14:57   ` Shaz
2009-03-23 15:19 ` Andy Warner
2009-03-24  2:14   ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-24  2:14     ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-25  6:54     ` Some ideas in SE-PostgreSQL enhancement (Re: The status of SE-PostgreSQL) KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-25  6:54       ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-25  7:45       ` Andy Warner
2009-03-25  8:20         ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-25  8:59           ` Andy Warner
2009-03-25 12:00             ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-25 17:02               ` Andy Warner
2009-03-26  0:13                 ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-25 17:43         ` Joshua Brindle
2009-03-25 19:42           ` Andy Warner
2009-03-27 15:43             ` Joshua Brindle
2009-03-27 16:25               ` Andy Warner
2009-03-27 17:15                 ` Joshua Brindle
2009-03-27 17:54                   ` Andy Warner
2009-03-27 18:12                     ` Joshua Brindle
2009-03-27 18:48                       ` Andy Warner
2009-03-27 19:53                         ` Joshua Brindle
2009-03-27 20:04                           ` Andy Warner
2009-03-27 23:59                           ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-28  7:17                             ` Andy Warner
2009-03-30  0:56                               ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-30  8:21                                 ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-30  9:58                                   ` Andy Warner
2009-03-30 13:22                                     ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-22  0:08                                   ` Eamon Walsh
2009-04-22  3:59                                     ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-01  4:54                                       ` Eamon Walsh
2009-05-07  1:34                                         ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-07  7:24                                           ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-30  9:49                                 ` Andy Warner
2009-03-26  5:50       ` [PATCH] Expose avc_netlink_loop() for applications (Re: Some ideas in SE-PostgreSQL enhancement) KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-26 23:28         ` Eamon Walsh
2009-03-26 23:41         ` Eamon Walsh
2009-03-27  0:35           ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-28  0:54             ` Eamon Walsh [this message]
2009-03-28  2:00               ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-30  4:56                 ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-26  6:11       ` [PATCH] database audit integration " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-26  6:11         ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-26 21:45         ` John Dennis
     [not found]         ` <49CB313B.7020507@redhat.com>
2009-03-27  2:34           ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-27  2:34             ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-26  8:29       ` [PATCH] Permissive domain in userspace " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-28  2:41         ` Eamon Walsh
2009-03-30  2:55           ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-31  1:45             ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-31 16:46               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-01  1:07                 ` [PATCH] Permissive domain in userspace object manager KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-01  1:41                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-01 12:34                   ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-01 20:07                     ` Eric Paris
2009-04-01 22:53                   ` James Morris
2009-03-27  8:18       ` [PATCH] Policy rework for SE-PostgreSQL (Re: Some ideas in SE-PostgreSQL enhancement) KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-27  8:18         ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-27  9:44         ` Andy Warner
2009-03-27 11:20           ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-27 11:20             ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-27 11:45             ` Andy Warner
2009-03-27 11:45               ` [refpolicy] " Andy Warner
2009-03-27 12:17               ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-27 12:17                 ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-01  7:26       ` Correct manner to handler undefined classes/permissions? " KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-01 12:45         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-02  0:28           ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-23 15:25 ` The status of SE-PostgreSQL Stephen Smalley
2009-03-23 15:25   ` [refpolicy] " Stephen Smalley
2009-03-24  1:13   ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-24  1:13     ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei

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