From: Jarrett Lu <Jarrett.Lu@sun.com>
To: dpquigl@tycho.nsa.gov
Cc: labeled-nfs@linux-nfs.org, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
nfs-discuss@opensolaris.org, nfsv4@ietf.org
Subject: my thoughts on how Labeled NFSv4 draft should move forward
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:07:04 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49DA6EF8.1080704@sun.com> (raw)
David,
There were a lot of discussion on labeled NFSv4 recently. I like to make
a suggestion in how your draft should go forward. I believe you should
continue proposing adding a DOI + an opaque label field. There are two
slightly different usage models of DOI:
(1) the current proposal -- DOI is used to indicate the format of label
in the opaque field. A new predefined DOI / label format pairing needs
to exist in a registry. Being able to parse a label doesn't necessarily
imply one can correctly interpret or translate a label. Label policy
consistency is administered outside of the Labeled NFSv4 protocol
extension. (2) Using same DOI implies that communicating peers can
correctly parse the opaque label field AND label policy between
communicating parties are consistent, i.e. they can correctly interpret
labels using same DOI. This DOI usage is consistent with CALIPSO DOI;
hence the same DOI registry can be used by NFSv4. I like (2) better for
following reasons:
- It removes the need for another DOI registry. I believe a new DOI
registry will be under scrutiny and may cause uneasiness in IETF later on.
- It is consistent with how MAC systems use DOI today. Granted that the
CALIPSO spec is MLS centric. But DOI need not favor MLS systems in any
way. It could be effectively used on DTE systems as well. For example,
DOI number 5 means a pair of DTE system sharing consistent label
security policies.
- I believe it's easier to implement MAC policy consistency on a system
where DOI conveys the same meaning in different layer of a system stack.
In any case, the "DOI + opaque label" proposal relies on an OOB method
to be useful. This is weak in terms of interoperability. But I believe
that allowing systems to share file label attribute still adds value,
even when an OOB method is required. I can help writing some usage
scenarios about how such extensions may be used on MLS systems.
Now there is a separate discussion on saag list in how to do policy
exchange among MAC systems. If this can be done, labeled NFS can
definitely benefit from that effort and improve its interoperability
story. It's probably wise to separate the two efforts so that each can
proceed independently. I haven't studied the "labeled policy exchange
framework" enough to know if it changes the current NFSv4 proposal.
Jarrett
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next reply other threads:[~2009-04-06 21:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-06 21:07 Jarrett Lu [this message]
2009-04-06 22:08 ` [nfsv4] my thoughts on how Labeled NFSv4 draft should move forward Nicolas Williams
2009-04-10 19:43 ` David P. Quigley
2009-04-10 19:43 ` David P. Quigley
2009-04-10 20:17 ` [nfsv4] " Nicolas Williams
2009-04-10 20:38 ` Nicolas Williams
2009-04-14 15:59 ` David P. Quigley
2009-04-14 17:10 ` Nicolas Williams
2009-04-13 13:19 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-04-13 15:31 ` Nicolas Williams
2009-04-14 4:02 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-04-14 17:26 ` Nicolas Williams
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