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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Szabolcs Szakacsits <szaka@ntfs-3g.com>,
	Grant Grundler <grundler@google.com>,
	Linux IDE mailing list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Implementing NVMHCI...
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:37:45 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49E46779.1040106@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49E46437.5000804@garzik.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Speaking of RMW...    in one sense, we have to deal with RMW anyway. 
> Upcoming ATA hard drives will be configured with a normal 512b sector 
> API interface, but underlying physical sector size is 1k or 4k.
>
> The disk performs the RMW for us, but we must be aware of physical 
> sector size in order to determine proper alignment of on-disk data, to 
> minimize RMW cycles.
>

Virtualization has the same issue.  OS installers will typically setup 
the first partition at sector 63, and that means every page-sized block 
access will be misaligned.  Particularly bad when the guest's disk is 
backed on a regular file.

Windows 2008 aligns partitions on a 1MB boundary, IIRC.

> At the moment, it seems like most of the effort to get these ATA 
> devices to perform efficiently is in getting partition / RAID stripe 
> offsets set up properly.
>
> So perhaps for NVMHCI we could
> (a) hardcode NVM sector size maximum at 4k
> (b) do RMW in the driver for sector size >4k, and

Why not do it in the block layer?  That way it isn't limited to one driver.

> (c) export information indicating the true sector size, in a manner 
> similar to how the ATA driver passes that info to userland 
> partitioning tools.

Eventually we'll want to allow filesystems to make use of the native 
sector size.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-14 10:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20090412091228.GA29937@elte.hu>
2009-04-12 15:14 ` Implementing NVMHCI Szabolcs Szakacsits
2009-04-12 15:20   ` Alan Cox
2009-04-12 16:15     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-12 17:11       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-13  6:32         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-13 15:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-13 15:38             ` James Bottomley
2009-04-14  7:22             ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-14 10:07               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14  9:59             ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14 10:23               ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-14 10:37                 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-04-14 11:45                   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-14 11:58                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2009-04-17 22:45                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-14 12:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14 12:21                       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-25  8:26                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-04-12 15:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12 17:02     ` Robert Hancock
2009-04-12 17:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12 18:35         ` Robert Hancock
2009-04-13 11:18         ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-12 17:23     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]     ` <6934efce0904141052j3d4f87cey9fc4b802303aa73b@mail.gmail.com>
2009-04-15  6:37       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-04-30 22:51         ` Jörn Engel
2009-04-30 23:36           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 17:33 Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 19:32 ` Alan Cox
2009-04-11 19:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11 20:21     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 21:49     ` Grant Grundler
2009-04-11 22:33       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12  5:08         ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-04-11 23:25       ` Alan Cox
2009-04-11 23:51         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-12  0:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12  1:59             ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-12  1:15         ` david
2009-04-12  3:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12 14:23         ` Mark Lord
2009-04-12 17:29           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 19:54   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-11 21:08     ` John Stoffel
2009-04-11 21:31       ` John Stoffel

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