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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Zhaolei <zhaolei@cn.fujitsu.com>, Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@elastic.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	Jiaying Zhang <jiayingz@google.com>,
	Michael Rubin <mrubin@google.com>,
	Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu <eduard.munteanu@linux360.ro>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/8] tracing: create automated trace defines
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:43:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49E7D0BC.4070700@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090417002831.GC20513@Krystal>

Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> "all this code" is actually :
>
>                rcu_read_lock_sched_notrace();                          \
>                 it_func = rcu_dereference((tp)->funcs);                 \
>                 if (it_func) {                                          \
>                         do {                                            \
>                                 ((void(*)(proto))(*it_func))(args);     \
>                         } while (*(++it_func));                         \
>                 }                                                       \
>                 rcu_read_unlock_sched_notrace();                        \
>
> Which does nothing more than disabling preemption and a for loop to
> call all the tracepoint handlers. I don't see the big win in laying out
> the stack to call this code out-of-line; we would just remove the
> preempt disable and the loop, which are minimal compared to most
> call stacks.
>   

Well, look at it from my perspective:  Ingo has been repeatedly beating 
me up for the overhead pvops adds to a native kernel, where it really is 
just a (direct) function call.  I want to instrument each pvop site with 
a tracepoint so I can actually work out which calls are being called how 
frequently to look for new optimisation opportunities.

I would guess the tracepoint code sequence is going to increase the 
impact of each pvop call site by a fair bit, and that's not counting the 
effects the extra register pressure will have.  That's a pile of code to 
add.

And frankly, that's fine by me, because I would expect this degree of 
introspection to have some performance hit.  But it does make the need 
for per-subsystem tracing Kconfig entries fairly important, because I 
don't think this would be acceptable to ship in a non-debug-everything 
kernel build, even though other tracepoints might be.

> So basically, tracepoints are already just doing a function call, with a
> few more bytes for preempt disable and multiple handler support.
>
> About the compiler deciding to put the unlikely branch out-of-line, I've
> never seen any function calls generated just for the sake of saving
> those few bytes, that would be crazy of the part of the compiler.
> However, it can (and should) freely put the stack setup in the coldest
> cache-lines possible, which are reachable by a near jump.
>   

No, it wouldn't generate a call.  But if its going to put the code out 
of line into cold cache-lines, then it may as well generate a call.

Anyway, the important point from my perspective is that tracepoint.h 
have no #include dependencies beyond linux/types.h (compiler.h, etc).

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-17  0:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-14 17:23 [PATCH 0/8] [GIT PULL] TRACE_EVENT for modules Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 17:23 ` [PATCH 1/8] tracing: consolidate trace and trace_event headers Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 21:51   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-04-14 22:04     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 17:23 ` [PATCH 2/8] tracing: create automated trace defines Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 23:44   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-15  1:45     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-15 16:07       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-16  2:34         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-16  2:56           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-16 23:44             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-17  0:03               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-17  0:13                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-17  0:18                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-17  0:28                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-17  0:43                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2009-04-17  3:05                         ` [PATCH] tracepoints : let subsystem nop-out the tracepoints at build time Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-20  7:12               ` [PATCH 2/8] tracing: create automated trace defines Andi Kleen
2009-04-21 15:51                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-21 17:18                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-21 17:21                     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-21 17:43                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-21 20:28                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-21 21:17                         ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-21 21:23                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-04-21 21:33                             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-22  5:47                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-22  6:07                           ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-22  6:24                             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-22  7:26                               ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-15  7:04   ` Zhaolei
2009-04-14 17:23 ` [PATCH 3/8] tracing: make trace_seq operations available for core kernel Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 19:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-15  2:19     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 17:23 ` [PATCH 4/8] tracing/events: move declarations from trace directory to core include Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 17:23 ` [PATCH 5/8] tracing/events: move the ftrace event tracing code to core Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 19:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-15  2:25     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-15  3:40       ` Jiaying Zhang
2009-04-14 17:23 ` [PATCH 6/8] tracing/events: convert event call sites to use a link list Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 17:23 ` [PATCH 7/8] tracing/events: add export symbols for trace events in modules Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 17:23 ` [PATCH 8/8] tracing/events: add support for modules to TRACE_EVENT Steven Rostedt
2009-04-15  3:22   ` Rusty Russell
2009-04-14 18:15 ` [PATCH 0/8] [GIT PULL] TRACE_EVENT for modules Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14 18:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14 18:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14 18:33   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 18:35     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14 21:04 ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-14 21:23   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 21:59     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 21:29   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-04-14 22:00     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-16 16:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-14 21:48   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-14 21:55     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-04-14 22:33       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-15  8:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-16  2:29           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-16 16:52   ` Christoph Hellwig

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