From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add MCE support to KVM
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:24:39 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49EC7797.7060004@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49EC6DEE.4070703@redhat.com>
On 04/20/09 14:43, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>>> That said, I'd like to be able to emulate the Xen HVM hypercalls. But in
>>> any case, they hypercall implementation has to be in the kernel,
>>
>> No. With Xenner the xen hypercall emulation code lives in guest
>> address space.
>
> In this case the guest ring-0 code should trap the #GP, and install the
> hypercall page (which uses sysenter/syscall?). No kvm or qemu changes
> needed.
Doesn't fly.
Reason #1: In the pv-on-hvm case the guest runs on ring0.
Reason #2: Chicken-egg issue: For the pv-on-hvm case only few,
simple hypercalls are needed. The code to handle them
is small enougth that it can be loaded directly into the
hypercall page(s).
pure-pv doesn't need it in the first place. But, yes, there I could
simply trap #GP because the guest kernel runs on ring #1 (or #3 on 64bit).
>>> Especially if we need to support
>>> tricky bits like continuations.
>>
>> Is there any reason to? I *think* xen does it for better scheduling
>> latency. But with xen emulation sitting in guest address space we can
>> schedule the guest at will anyway.
>
> It also improves latency within the guest itself. At least I think that
> what was the Hyper-V spec is saying. You can interrupt the execution of
> a long hypercall, inject and interrupt, and resume. Sort of like a
> rep/movs instruction, which the cpu can and will interrupt.
Hmm. Needs investigation.. I'd expect the main source of latencies is
page table walking. Xen works very different from kvm+xenner here ...
> For Xenner, no (and you don't need to intercept the msr at all), but for
> pv-on-hvm, you do need to update the code.
Xenner handling pv-on-hvm doesn't need code updates either. Real Xen
does as it uses vmcall, not sure how they handle migration.
cheers
Gerd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-20 13:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-08 1:53 [PATCH] Add MCE support to KVM Huang Ying
2009-04-09 15:50 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-10 3:00 ` Huang Ying
2009-04-11 12:04 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-11 12:19 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-11 12:25 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-13 8:26 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-13 2:41 ` Huang Ying
2009-04-13 13:02 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-14 2:04 ` Huang Ying
2009-04-14 10:45 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-15 7:24 ` Huang Ying
2009-04-18 22:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-19 8:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-20 7:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-20 8:26 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-20 8:59 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-20 9:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-20 10:04 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-20 11:02 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-20 11:23 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-20 11:27 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-20 12:20 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-20 12:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-20 13:24 ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2009-04-20 13:45 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-21 9:14 ` Xenner design and kvm msr handling Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-21 10:14 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-21 11:41 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-21 12:27 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-21 12:47 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-21 13:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-21 16:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-21 16:15 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-21 16:15 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-22 10:02 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-22 10:02 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-04-21 16:04 ` [PATCH] Add MCE support to KVM Anthony Liguori
2009-04-21 16:17 ` Avi Kivity
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