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From: Izik Eidus <ieidus@redhat.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	chrisw@redhat.com, device@lanana.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/6] ksm: dont allow overlap memory addresses registrations.
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:57:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A01A577.2090409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905061532240.25289@blonde.anvils>

Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Wed, 6 May 2009, Alan Cox wrote:
>   
>>> the max number of ksm pages that can be allocated at any given time so
>>> to avoid OOM conditions, like the swap-compress logic that limits the
>>> swapdevice size to less than ram.
>>>       
>
> (I don't know anything about that swap-compress logic and limitation.)
>
>   
>> Are those pages accounted for in the vm_overcommit logic, as if you
>> allocate a big chunk of memory as KSM will do you need the worst case
>> vm_overcommit behaviour preserved and that means keeping the stats
>> correct.
>>     
>
> As I understand it, KSM won't affect the vm_overcommit behaviour at all.
> Those pages Izik refers to are not allocated up front, they're just a
> limit on the number of process pages which may get held in core at any
> one time, through being shared via the KSM mechanism.
>   

Exactly, this pages are not swappable (now), so we allow the sysadmin to 
control the maximum value of them.
> KSM is not evading vm_committed_space at all, not opening a backdoor
> away from the ordinary mmaps: just collapsing duplicated pages in
> what's been mapped in the usual way, down to single copies.
>
> So the vm_commited_space accounting is exactly as before: it would
> be a bit odd to be running KSM along with OVERCOMMIT_NEVER, but it
> doesn't change its calculations at all - it will and will have to
> be as pessimistic as it ever was.
>
> The only difference would be in how much memory (mostly lowmem)
> KSM's own data structures will take up - as usual, the kernel
> data structures aren't being accounted, but do take up memory.
>
> Hugh
>   


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From: Izik Eidus <ieidus@redhat.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	chrisw@redhat.com, device@lanana.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/6] ksm: dont allow overlap memory addresses registrations.
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:57:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A01A577.2090409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0905061532240.25289@blonde.anvils>

Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Wed, 6 May 2009, Alan Cox wrote:
>   
>>> the max number of ksm pages that can be allocated at any given time so
>>> to avoid OOM conditions, like the swap-compress logic that limits the
>>> swapdevice size to less than ram.
>>>       
>
> (I don't know anything about that swap-compress logic and limitation.)
>
>   
>> Are those pages accounted for in the vm_overcommit logic, as if you
>> allocate a big chunk of memory as KSM will do you need the worst case
>> vm_overcommit behaviour preserved and that means keeping the stats
>> correct.
>>     
>
> As I understand it, KSM won't affect the vm_overcommit behaviour at all.
> Those pages Izik refers to are not allocated up front, they're just a
> limit on the number of process pages which may get held in core at any
> one time, through being shared via the KSM mechanism.
>   

Exactly, this pages are not swappable (now), so we allow the sysadmin to 
control the maximum value of them.
> KSM is not evading vm_committed_space at all, not opening a backdoor
> away from the ordinary mmaps: just collapsing duplicated pages in
> what's been mapped in the usual way, down to single copies.
>
> So the vm_commited_space accounting is exactly as before: it would
> be a bit odd to be running KSM along with OVERCOMMIT_NEVER, but it
> doesn't change its calculations at all - it will and will have to
> be as pessimistic as it ever was.
>
> The only difference would be in how much memory (mostly lowmem)
> KSM's own data structures will take up - as usual, the kernel
> data structures aren't being accounted, but do take up memory.
>
> Hugh
>   

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-06 15:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-04 22:25 [PATCH 0/6] ksm changes (v2) Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25 ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25 ` [PATCH 1/6] ksm: limiting the num of mem regions user can register per fd Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25   ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25   ` [PATCH 2/6] ksm: dont allow overlap memory addresses registrations Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25     ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25     ` [PATCH 3/6] ksm: change the KSM_REMOVE_MEMORY_REGION ioctl Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25       ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25       ` [PATCH 4/6] ksm: change the prot handling to use the generic helper functions Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25         ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25         ` [PATCH 5/6] ksm: build system make it compile for all archs Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25           ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25           ` [PATCH 6/6] ksm: use another miscdevice minor number Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25             ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06  0:55             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:55               ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:54           ` [PATCH 5/6] ksm: build system make it compile for all archs Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:54             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:54         ` [PATCH 4/6] ksm: change the prot handling to use the generic helper functions Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:54           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:53       ` [PATCH 3/6] ksm: change the KSM_REMOVE_MEMORY_REGION ioctl Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:53         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  8:38         ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06  8:38           ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 11:16           ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 11:16             ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 13:34             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 13:34               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 13:56               ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 13:56                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 16:41                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:41                   ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:49                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 16:49                     ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 16:57                     ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:57                       ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 17:47                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 17:47                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 16:59                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 16:59                       ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-07 11:31                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-07 11:31                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-07 13:13                       ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-07 13:13                         ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-07 13:23                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-07 13:23                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 14:25               ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:25                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:45                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 14:45                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 15:36                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 15:36                     ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 15:27             ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 15:27               ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 16:14               ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 16:14                 ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 16:36                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:36                   ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 17:09                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 17:09                     ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 17:54                     ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 17:54                       ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:26               ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:26                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:58                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 16:58                   ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 23:59                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 23:59                     ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07  2:41                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07  2:41                       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:43     ` [PATCH 2/6] ksm: dont allow overlap memory addresses registrations Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:43       ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  9:46       ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06  9:46         ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 12:26         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06 12:26           ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06 12:39           ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 12:39             ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 13:17           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 13:17             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 13:28             ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 13:28               ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:02               ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 14:02                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 17:11                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 17:11                   ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:09               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 14:09                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 14:21                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-06 14:21                   ` Alan Cox
2009-05-06 14:46                   ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:46                     ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:56                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 14:56                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 23:55                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-06 23:55                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-07  0:19                         ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07  0:19                           ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 10:46                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-07 10:46                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-07 12:01                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-07 12:01                             ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-06 14:57                     ` Izik Eidus [this message]
2009-05-06 14:57                       ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06  0:40   ` [PATCH 1/6] ksm: limiting the num of mem regions user can register per fd Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:40     ` Rik van Riel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-05-02 22:16 [PATCH 0/6] ksm changes Izik Eidus
2009-05-02 22:16 ` [PATCH 1/6] ksm: limiting the num of mem regions user can register per fd Izik Eidus
2009-05-02 22:16   ` [PATCH 2/6] ksm: dont allow overlap memory addresses registrations Izik Eidus
2009-05-02 22:16     ` Izik Eidus

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