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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache flush command
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:38:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A085471.40809@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090511154046.GA4226@lst.de>

Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 09:51:40AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>   
>> What typically triggers a flush operation?
>>     
>
> fsync.
>
>   
>> I would assume an fsync would, but would a flush happen after every 
>> O_DIRECT write?
>>     
>
> Right now it doesn't, but it probably should.
>   

So then with cache=writeback, fsync behaves itself but O_DIRECT writes 
do not.

This seems like a really undesirable combination of behavior from a 
guest integrity point of view.  It makes me wonder if it's really 
useful.  I think that any serious user would have to continue using 
cache=writethrough.  Is there a path that would ever allow someone who 
cares about their data to use cache=writeback instead of cache=writethrough?

>> If the backend implementation of T_FLUSH is fsync, I would think that 
>> this would result in rather poor performance for O_DIRECT operations in 
>> the guest.
>>     
>
> Right now it's fsync.  By the time I'll submit the backend change it
> will still be fsync, but at least called from the posix-aio-compat
> thread pool.
>   

fsync is pretty crappy on ext3 default configs.  I'm concerned that this 
could be considered a DoS by a malicious guest.  If it sat in a T_FLUSH 
loop, it would potentially bring your system to a crawl, no?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-11 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-11  8:39 [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache flush command Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 14:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 15:40   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 15:45     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 16:28       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 16:49         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 17:47           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 18:00             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 18:29               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 18:40                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-18 12:03                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12  7:23             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12  7:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12  8:35             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-18 12:06               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 16:38     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-05-12  7:26       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 13:54 ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-12 14:18   ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-05-13  1:52     ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-18 12:07     ` Christoph Hellwig

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