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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache flush command
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:29:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A086E72.5060302@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A0867B8.2090601@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
>
>>
>> Right now, it's fairly easy to understand.  cache=none and 
>> cache=writethrough guarantee that all write operations that the guest 
>> thinks have completed are completed.  cache=writeback provides no 
>> such guarantee.
>
> cache=none is partially broken as well, since O_DIRECT writes might 
> hit an un-battery-packed write cache.  I think cache=writeback will 
> send the necessary flushes, if the disk and the underlying filesystem 
> support them.

Sure, but this likely doesn't upset people that much since O_DIRECT has 
always had this behavior.  Using non-battery backed disks with writeback 
enabled introduces a larger set of possible data integrity issues.  I 
think this case is acceptable to ignore because it's a straight forward 
policy.

>> cache=writeback+fsync would guarantee that only operations that 
>> include a T_FLUSH are present on disk which currently includes fsyncs 
>> but does not include O_DIRECT writes.  I guess whether O_SYNC does a 
>> T_FLUSH also has to be determined.
>>
>> It seems too complicated to me.  If we could provide a mode where 
>> cache=writeback provided as strong a guarantee as cache=writethrough, 
>> then that would be quite interesting.
>
> It don't think we realistically can.

Maybe two fds?  One open in O_SYNC and one not.  Is such a thing sane?

>>>> (Or maybe ext3 actually is stupid enough to flush the whole fs even 
>>>> for
>>>> that case
>>>
>>> Sigh.
>>
>> I'm also worried about ext3 here.
>
> I'm just waiting for btrfs.

Even ext4 is saner but we'll get lots of bug reports while ext3 remains 
common.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori


  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-11 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-11  8:39 [PATCH, RFC] virtio_blk: add cache flush command Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 14:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 15:40   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 15:45     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 16:28       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 16:49         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 17:47           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-11 18:00             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 18:29               ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-05-11 18:40                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-18 12:03                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12  7:23             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12  7:19           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12  8:35             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-18 12:06               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-11 16:38     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-12  7:26       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-12 13:54 ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-12 14:18   ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-05-13  1:52     ` Rusty Russell
2009-05-18 12:07     ` Christoph Hellwig

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