[Fwd: HPPA and Squeeze]

[Fwd: HPPA and Squeeze]

[Helge Deller]

FYI - Helge

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: HPPA and Squeeze
Resent-Date: Tue,  2 Jun 2009 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-hppa@lists.debian.org
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:07:35 +0100
From: Neil McGovern <neilm@debian.org>
To: HPPA porters <debian-hppa@lists.debian.org>
CC: admin@debian-ports.org

Hi,

As mentioned previously[0], the release team haven't been happy with the
state of the HPPA port in Debian. After the release team meeting[1], it
has been decided that unfortunatly HPPA will not be supported for
Squeeze. This was after careful consideration, and wasn't an easy
decision.

This means that ftpmasters will be asked to remove HPPA from testing and
unstable from the 30th June. It is suggested that HPPA porters may wish
to consider using debian-ports.org if they wish to continue with the
port.

Regards,
Neil McGovern

[0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2009/04/msg00299.html
[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/05/msg00080.html
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Re: [Fwd: HPPA and Squeeze]

[John David Anglin]

I have to say this is sad but not expected.  It not really possible
to support an architecture without the support of its manufacturer.
HP hasn't provide any PA-RISC support beyond a few test machines for
a few years.

>From what I read on the debian list, the decision was the result of an
unstable kernel (build infrastructure) and the lack of a functional java
port (gcj is considered inadequate and broken).  It was taken even though
Carlos has submitted the patches to transition to NPTL in glibc 2.10.
The links in Neil McGovern message don't provide the actual rational.

Software is always buggy to some extent.  In the the past, when debian
developers reported problems/bugs to the relevant lists, the problems
have generally been resolved.  I haven't seen this happening to the same
extent recently.  So, it's not surprising to me that debian ports are
being lost.

As a user of Squeeze, I haven't experienced any major problems.  Thus,
I am disappointed that it is going to be removed for HPPA.

Dave

> FYI - Helge
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: HPPA and Squeeze
> Resent-Date: Tue,  2 Jun 2009 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC)
> Resent-From: debian-hppa@lists.debian.org
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:07:35 +0100
> From: Neil McGovern <neilm@debian.org>
> To: HPPA porters <debian-hppa@lists.debian.org>
> CC: admin@debian-ports.org
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As mentioned previously[0], the release team haven't been happy with the
> state of the HPPA port in Debian. After the release team meeting[1], it
> has been decided that unfortunatly HPPA will not be supported for
> Squeeze. This was after careful consideration, and wasn't an easy
> decision.
> 
> This means that ftpmasters will be asked to remove HPPA from testing and
> unstable from the 30th June. It is suggested that HPPA porters may wish
> to consider using debian-ports.org if they wish to continue with the
> port.
> 
> Regards,
> Neil McGovern
> 
> [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2009/04/msg00299.html
> [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/05/msg00080.html
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> < HE> They have combined computing power (see lucas) with pure madness (see Joss)
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Re: [Fwd: HPPA and Squeeze]

[Thibaut VARENE]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:39 AM, John David Anglin
<dave@hiauly1.hia.nrc.ca> wrote:

> The links in Neil McGovern message don't provide the actual rational.

Having noticed that myself, I've sent a reply asking for
clarification. We'll see what comes out.

Cheers,
T-Bone

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Re: [Fwd: HPPA and Squeeze]

[John David Anglin]

> As mentioned previously[0], the release team haven't been happy with the
> state of the HPPA port in Debian. After the release team meeting[1], it
> has been decided that unfortunatly HPPA will not be supported for
> Squeeze. This was after careful consideration, and wasn't an easy
> decision.

The GCC project deprecates unsupported targets for one release prior
to removal.  This gives maintainers and interested users fair warning,
and considerable time to address the support issues before removal.

Shouldn't Debian be doing something similar?

Dave
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