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From: Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: "ehabkost@redhat.com" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	"jan.kiszka@siemens.com" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"dlaor@redhat.com" <dlaor@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Navara <filip.navara@gmail.com>, Vincent Hanquez <tab@snarc.org>,
	Filip@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/11] QMP: Introduce specification file
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:04:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A43AE13.4030900@eu.citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A4395B8.4010401@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:

> On 06/25/2009 06:10 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> I'd go further and make shell script support a non-goal.  Maybe the 
>>> majority of qemu control programs are scripts, but only a tiny 
>>> minority of VMs are controlled by shell scripts.  It is nearly 
>>> impossible to write a correct nontrivial program in bash; and scripts 
>>> will be slow due to the need to constantly fork/exec/connect.
>>>
>>> Serious management programs will be written in real languages, and 
>>> that's what we should optimize for.
>> I'm still inclined to stick with the text-based protocol.  libvirt 
>> likes it.  If Serious Management Programs want an RPC interface they 
>> can use libvirt.
> 
> That's really an onerous requirement.  What if libvirt lags behind 
> qemu?  What if libvirt doesn't want to support some feature?
> 
>> An RPC is overkill unless you also introduce things like life cycle 
>> management.  Otherwise, you could never realistically interact with 
>> QEMU without a intermediary that handled life cycle management (e.g. 
>> libvirt).
> 
> QMP is an RPC implemented over a text based protocol, with ad-hoc 
> marshalling.
> 
> I agree that you need something to reap dead qemus, but I don't think we 
> can force libvirt on people.
> 


Clearly I agree with Avi.
I am thinking for example that we could use the RPC protocol directly
from Xend and I am sure other people will find it useful too.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-25 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1245730845.git.lcapitulino@redhat.com>
2009-06-23  4:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/11] QMP: Introduce specification file Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  8:55   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-06-23  9:57     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23 10:08       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 13:22       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 13:31         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 13:06     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 13:10       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23 17:12         ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 13:27       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 17:15         ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 13:12     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 13:30       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 13:34         ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-06-23 13:40         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 15:01           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 15:47             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 16:02               ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 17:20       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 14:45   ` [Qemu-devel] " Vincent Hanquez
2009-06-23 15:56     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 15:56       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 16:04         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 16:09           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 16:15             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 18:32               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 18:47                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 19:00                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 19:44                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 19:52                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 20:07                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 20:13                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 22:02                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 22:02                     ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-06-23 22:50                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-24  1:01                         ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-06-24 11:55                           ` James
2009-06-24 12:09                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-24 12:32                               ` James
2009-06-24 12:54                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-24 14:31                                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-24 12:46                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-24 13:02                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-24 13:21                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-24 13:09                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-24 16:22                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 16:25                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-24 18:52                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 17:39                                 ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-06-24 18:23                                   ` Filip Navara
2009-06-24 18:41                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 18:42                                     ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-06-24 18:55                                       ` Filip Navara
2009-06-24 18:56                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 13:34                             ` Ian Jackson
2009-06-24 16:09                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 14:03                             ` Filip Navara
2009-06-25 19:30                               ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-24 14:06                             ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-06-24 14:41                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-24 14:56                             ` Chris Webb
2009-06-24 19:01                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 15:57                             ` Filip Navara
2009-06-24 16:22                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-24 16:42                                 ` Filip Navara
2009-06-24 19:05                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 19:24                                   ` Filip Navara
2009-06-24 21:13                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-24 21:29                                       ` Filip Navara
2009-06-24 21:47                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-25 13:07                                       ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-25 14:55                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-25 15:10                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-25 15:20                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-25 17:04                                               ` Stefano Stabellini [this message]
2009-06-25 18:10                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-25 19:03                                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-26  9:00                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-26  9:10                                                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-26  9:16                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-26  9:44                                                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-26 11:41                                                             ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-06-25 18:09                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-25 18:31                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-25 19:54                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-26  9:12                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-26 13:21                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-26 15:02                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-26 17:36                                                           ` Filip Navara
2009-06-26 19:36                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-26 20:25                                                               ` Filip Navara
2009-06-28 13:16                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-28 17:30                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-28 17:36                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-29  9:44                                                                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-29  9:50                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-29 10:09                                                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-27  7:03                                                               ` Filip Navara
2009-06-28 12:11                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-28 13:13                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-28 17:23                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-28 17:34                                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-29  0:42                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-29  6:04                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-29  9:48                                                                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-29 20:23                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-30  5:37                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-30 13:30                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-30 13:51                                                                           ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-30 13:52                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-30 13:56                                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-30 14:03                                                                               ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-30 16:05                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-30 18:21                                                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-01  8:07                                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-29 14:41                                                                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2009-06-29 14:56                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-28 17:38                                                               ` Filip Navara
2009-06-26 11:36                                                     ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-06-24 16:00                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-23 16:20             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 17:59             ` Vincent Hanquez
2009-06-23 15:41   ` Blue Swirl
2009-06-23  4:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/11] QMP: Introduce MONITOR_USE_CONTROL flag Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  4:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/11] QMP: Introduce protocol print functions Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 13:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 13:53     ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-06-23  4:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/11] QMP: Make monitor_handle_command() QMP aware Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 13:51   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 17:25     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  4:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/11] QMP: Introduce control mode chardev handling Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  4:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/11] QMP: Introduce asynchronous events infrastructure Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  8:59   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 13:31     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 10:08   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23 10:11     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 14:46     ` Paul Brook
2009-06-23 10:32   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23 11:23     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 13:36     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 13:48       ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-06-23 13:51         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 16:34           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 16:47           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23  4:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/11] QMP: Enable simple commands Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  4:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/11] QMP: Port balloon command Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  9:42   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 13:59     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 16:36       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 16:58         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 16:59       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 18:38         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-25 11:27           ` Dor Laor
2009-06-25 19:11             ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-26  9:21               ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-26  9:42                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-26 11:15                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-27 15:58                   ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-28 15:52                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-28 16:30                       ` Blue Swirl
2009-06-28 17:23                       ` Filip Navara
2009-06-28 17:43                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-28 17:51                         ` Blue Swirl
2009-06-28 18:36                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-28 22:11                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-06-25 19:59             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23  4:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/11] QMP: Port 'info blockstats' command Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  9:43   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-06-23  9:59     ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 10:09       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 10:10         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 14:01   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23  4:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/11] QMP: Introduce basic events Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  9:46   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 17:07     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 10:06   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23  4:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/11] QMP: Command-line flag to enable control mode Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23  9:03   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 10:04     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23 10:11       ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 10:17         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 10:54           ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 11:28             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 11:44               ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 11:51                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 11:53                   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 12:01                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 12:39                       ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 12:46                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 12:48                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 11:54                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23 11:48               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23 12:25                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-23 14:06           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-06-23 10:19         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-06-23 11:13           ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 13:59     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-06-23 14:06       ` Jan Kiszka
2009-06-23 17:27         ` Luiz Capitulino

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