[Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[Till Kamppeter]

http://wiki.openusability.org/printing/index.php/Level_2_Dialog_zones_and_content
http://wiki.openusability.org/printing/index.php/Level_3_Dialog_zones_and_content

Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[Petrie, Glen]

Till,

I have not seen the final interface.  But on the detailed view for
"Pages to Print" is it possible to add a button for the "current" page.

How does the page range work in detail for a single page.  If I only
want to print a single page; can I leave one the page range values empty
(either the to or from value) or do you have enter the same value in the
to and from fields.

Glen.


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Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[Petrie, Glen]

Ops, forgot - how can I print just "selected".  For example only the
selected paragraph on a page.

glen

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> 
> Till,
> 
> I have not seen the final interface.  But on the detailed view for
> "Pages to Print" is it possible to add a button for the "current"
page.
> 
> How does the page range work in detail for a single page.  If I only
> want to print a single page; can I leave one the page range values
empty
> (either the to or from value) or do you have enter the same value in
the
> to and from fields.
> 
> Glen.
> 
> 
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> > Subject: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs
> >
> >
>
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> d_
> > content
> >
>
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Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[Petrie, Glen]

Till,

I thought of another useful button for "pages to print" (Should be
called "Content to Print") is printing the Clipboard.  Since this is the
CPD, the clipboard is something app have in common. 

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> Subject: Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs
> 
> Ops, forgot - how can I print just "selected".  For example only the
> selected paragraph on a page.
> 
> glen
> 
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> > Subject: Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs
> >
> > Till,
> >
> > I have not seen the final interface.  But on the detailed view for
> > "Pages to Print" is it possible to add a button for the "current"
> page.
> >
> > How does the page range work in detail for a single page.  If I only
> > want to print a single page; can I leave one the page range values
> empty
> > (either the to or from value) or do you have enter the same value in
> the
> > to and from fields.
> >
> > Glen.
> >
> >
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> > > Subject: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > d_
> > > content
> > >
> >
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Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[Alexander Wauck]

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> I thought of another useful button for "pages to print" (Should be
> called "Content to Print") is printing the Clipboard.  Since this is the
> CPD, the clipboard is something app have in common.

Do Qt/GTK+ applications have their own clipboards (I'm thinking of OpenOffice in 
particular), or do they use a common clipboard?  I don't think that 
functionality belongs in the dialog itself unless applications have their own 
clipboards.  If the common clipboard is all there is, then a clipboard manager 
application (like Klipper) should provide this functionality.

Alex

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Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[Petrie, Glen]

Alex,

The question is providing a button to allow it.  This is a COMMON print
dialog.  Therefore, the control should be there.  If an application does
not (can not) support it, then the application elects to deactivate the
button when the dialog is called.  In this specific example, the button
may be deactivated if there is no clipboard content.  In addition, why
should I have to go to another application (like Klipper) to print
content I have access to.

glen

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> 
> > I thought of another useful button for "pages to print" (Should be
> > called "Content to Print") is printing the Clipboard.  Since this is
the
> > CPD, the clipboard is something app have in common.
> 
> Do Qt/GTK+ applications have their own clipboards (I'm thinking of
> OpenOffice in
> particular), or do they use a common clipboard?  I don't think that
> functionality belongs in the dialog itself unless applications have
their
> own
> clipboards.  If the common clipboard is all there is, then a clipboard
> manager
> application (like Klipper) should provide this functionality.
> 
> Alex
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Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[Alexander Wauck]

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> The question is providing a button to allow it.  This is a COMMON print
> dialog.  Therefore, the control should be there.  If an application does
> not (can not) support it, then the application elects to deactivate the
> button when the dialog is called.  In this specific example, the button
> may be deactivated if there is no clipboard content.  In addition, why
> should I have to go to another application (like Klipper) to print
> content I have access to.

What if the clipboard has data from another application?  It would be very 
strange to click "Print" in OpenOffice, select "Print from clipboard", and then 
have the printer spit out something from Firefox.

Alex

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Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[Petrie, Glen]

> 
> What if the clipboard has data from another application?  It would be
very
> strange to click "Print" in OpenOffice, select "Print from clipboard",
and
> then
> have the printer spit out something from Firefox.
> 

Not actually, that may be exactly what you want to do.  If the user is
printing something from the clipboard, let's assume they know what they
copied to the clipboard.

glen

Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[peter sikking]

Glen wrote:

> I have not seen the final interface.  But on the detailed view for
> "Pages to Print" is it possible to add a button for the "current"  
> page.

I trouble imagining what "current page" could be, when I think
of 10.000 different applications that we design for.

> How does the page range work in detail for a single page.  If I only
> want to print a single page; can I leave one the page range values  
> empty
> (either the to or from value) or do you have enter the same value in  
> the
> to and from fields.


all 3 ways should work, where if a field is left empty and the
keyboard focus moves to another parameter, the empty field gets
auto-completed for feedback.

> Ops, forgot - how can I print just "selected".  For example only the
> selected paragraph on a page.

now I am sure that you are talking about a word processor print option.

the print dialog is a piece of OS infrastructure that is designed to
work in 10.000 applications. About 4 of those 10.000 are word processors
that actually work wysiwyg and have a "selected paragraph on a page".

it is up to the interaction designers of these 4 word processor
applications to define what 'print selected paragraph on a page'
actually means, to design the proper UI for that (I can think of
at least 3 places in an application where that can fit, depending
on the app) and when needed, integrate that in the print dialog,
via the mechanisms we designed for that.

also see:

<http://mmiworks.net/eng/publications/2008/07/to-istanbul-via-tokyo.html#rule4 
 >

"There is no better way to derail a discussion about printing than
by using the example of printing a word/openOffice writer file."

     --ps

         founder + principal interaction architect
             man + machine interface works

         http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture

Re: [Printing-architecture] new cpd specs

[peter sikking]

Till,

> http://wiki.openusability.org/printing/index.php/Level_2_Dialog_zones_and_content
> http://wiki.openusability.org/printing/index.php/Level_3_Dialog_zones_and_content


oh, as I said in the irc channel when I mentioned this: only the
image at the top of the 2 pages is updated, the rest not yet.

we are still finalising some of the interaction details, especially
looking for straightforward implementation on kde and gnome.

then in the next week or two the spec is updated to reflect the
current dialog structure.

     --ps

         founder + principal interaction architect
             man + machine interface works

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