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From: "Éric Piel" <E.A.B.Piel@tudelft.nl>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	raz ben yehuda <raziebe@gmail.com>,
	riel@redhat.com, mingo@elte.hu,
	andrew motron <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	wiseman@macs.biu.ac.il, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: THE OFFLINE SCHEDULER
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:09:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A945317.5040501@tudelft.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1251227322.7538.1172.camel@twins>

Op 25-08-09 21:08, Peter Zijlstra schreef:
> On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 14:03 -0400, Christoph Lameter wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Mike Galbraith wrote:
>>
>>> I asked the questions I did out of pure curiosity, and that curiosity
>>> has been satisfied.  It's not that I find it useless or whatnot (or that
>>> my opinion matters to anyone but me;).  I personally find the concept of
>>> injecting an RTOS into a general purpose OS with no isolation to be
>>> alien.  Intriguing, but very very alien.
>> Well lets work on the isolation piece then. We could run a regular process
>> on the RT cpu and switch back when OS services are needed?
> 
> Christoph, stop being silly, this offline scheduler thing won't happen,
> full stop.
> 
> Its not a maintainable solution, it doesn't integrate with existing
> kernel infrastructure, and its plain ugly.
> 
> If you want something work within Linux, don't build kernels in kernels
> or other such ugly hacks.
Hello,

For the one interested in such approach, you can have a look at an now
unmaintained project that we developed, ARTiS:
http://www2.lifl.fr/west/artis/

It allows several RT tasks to share a "RT" cpu, and if a task tries to
"cheat" by calling a kernel function which disables the preemption or
the interrupts, it is temporally migrated to another CPU. This is a
working approach, with some good low latency results which can be seen
in the papers on the website.

See you,
Eric

      parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-25 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-22 23:27 RFC: THE OFFLINE SCHEDULER raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23  5:21 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-23  9:09   ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23  7:30     ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-23 11:05       ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23  9:52         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-25 15:23           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 17:56             ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-25 18:03               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 18:12                 ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                   ` <5d96567b0908251522m3fd4ab98n76a52a34a11e874c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-08-25 22:32                     ` Fwd: " Raz
2009-08-25 19:08                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-25 19:18                   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 19:22                   ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-25 20:35                     ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-08-26  5:31                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 10:29                       ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26  8:02                         ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-26  8:16                           ` Raz
2009-08-26  8:16                             ` Raz
2009-08-26 13:47                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 14:45                           ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-08-26 14:54                             ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 15:06                               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-26 15:11                                 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 15:30                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 15:41                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 16:03                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 16:16                                     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-26 16:20                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 18:04                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 19:15                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 19:32                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 20:40                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 20:50                                               ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-26 21:09                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 21:15                                                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-26 21:37                                                   ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 16:51                                                     ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-27 17:04                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-27 21:09                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-27 22:22                                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28  2:15                                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-28  3:33                                                               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28  3:33                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28  4:27                                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28  4:27                                                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28 10:26                                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 18:57                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 19:23                                                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 19:52                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 20:00                                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 20:21                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 20:34                                                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-31 19:19                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-31 17:44                                                                                   ` Roland Dreier
2009-09-01 18:42                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-01 16:15                                                                                       ` Roland Dreier
2009-08-29 17:03                                                                               ` jim owens
2009-08-31 19:22                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-31 15:33                                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-01 18:46                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28  6:14                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-27 23:51                                                           ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-28  0:44                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 21:20                                                               ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-28 21:20                                                                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-28 18:43                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-27 21:33                                                       ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 22:05                                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28  8:38                                                           ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-28 10:05                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 13:25                                                             ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-28 13:37                                                               ` jim owens
2009-08-28 15:22                                                               ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 21:34                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-27  2:55                                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-08-26 21:34                                                 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 21:08                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 21:26                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 21:32                                             ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27  7:15                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-26 15:37                               ` Chetan.Loke
2009-08-26 15:21                       ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-25 21:09                   ` Éric Piel [this message]

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