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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:56:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A9BF2AB.8080104@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090831143101.GA16943@amit-x200.redhat.com>

Amit Shah wrote:
> On (Mon) Aug 31 2009 [09:21:13], Anthony Liguori wrote:
>   
>> Amit Shah wrote:
>>     
>>> Can you please explain your rationale for being so rigid about merging
>>> the two drivers?
>>>   
>>>       
>> Because they do the same thing.  I'm not going to constantly rehash  
>> this.  It's been explained multiple times.
>>     
>
> It hardly looks like the same thing each passing day.
>   

That's BS.  The very first time you posted, you received the same 
feedback from both Paul and I.  See 
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/44778.  That was back 
in June.  You've consistently received the same feedback both on the ML 
and in private.

> We're ending up having to compromise on the performance or functionality
> or simplicity the devices just because of this restriction.
>   

This is _not_ a high performance device and there so far has been no 
functionality impact.  I don't understand why you keep dragging your 
feet about this.  It's very simple, if you post a functional set of 
patches for a converged virtio-console driver, we'll merge it.  If you 
keep arguing about having a separate virtio-serial driver, it's not 
going to get merged.  I don't know how to be more clear than this.

>> If there are implementation issues within the Linux drivers because of  
>> peculiarities of hvc then hvc needs to be fixed.  It has nothing to do  
>> with the driver ABI which is what qemu cares about.
>>     
>
> I'd welcome that effort as well. But we all know that's not going to
> happen anytime soon.
>   

That is not a justification to add a new device in QEMU.  If we add a 
new device everytime we encounter a less than ideal interface within a 
guest, we're going to end up having hundreds of devices.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:56:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A9BF2AB.8080104@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090831143101.GA16943@amit-x200.redhat.com>

Amit Shah wrote:
> On (Mon) Aug 31 2009 [09:21:13], Anthony Liguori wrote:
>   
>> Amit Shah wrote:
>>     
>>> Can you please explain your rationale for being so rigid about merging
>>> the two drivers?
>>>   
>>>       
>> Because they do the same thing.  I'm not going to constantly rehash  
>> this.  It's been explained multiple times.
>>     
>
> It hardly looks like the same thing each passing day.
>   

That's BS.  The very first time you posted, you received the same 
feedback from both Paul and I.  See 
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/44778.  That was back 
in June.  You've consistently received the same feedback both on the ML 
and in private.

> We're ending up having to compromise on the performance or functionality
> or simplicity the devices just because of this restriction.
>   

This is _not_ a high performance device and there so far has been no 
functionality impact.  I don't understand why you keep dragging your 
feet about this.  It's very simple, if you post a functional set of 
patches for a converged virtio-console driver, we'll merge it.  If you 
keep arguing about having a separate virtio-serial driver, it's not 
going to get merged.  I don't know how to be more clear than this.

>> If there are implementation issues within the Linux drivers because of  
>> peculiarities of hvc then hvc needs to be fixed.  It has nothing to do  
>> with the driver ABI which is what qemu cares about.
>>     
>
> I'd welcome that effort as well. But we all know that's not going to
> happen anytime soon.
>   

That is not a justification to add a new device in QEMU.  If we add a 
new device everytime we encounter a less than ideal interface within a 
guest, we're going to end up having hundreds of devices.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-31 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-25  6:17 Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17 ` [PATCH] virtio_console: Add interface for guest and host communication Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17   ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17   ` [PATCH 1/3] char: Emit 'CLOSED' events on char device close Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17     ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17     ` [PATCH 2/3] virtio-console: rename dvq to ovq Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25  6:17 ` [PATCH] virtio_console: Add interface for guest and host communication Amit Shah
2009-08-25  8:16 ` [PATCH 3/3] virtio-console: Add interface for generic guest-host communication Amit Shah
2009-08-25  8:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25  8:16 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-26 11:27 ` Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports Amit Shah
2009-08-26 11:27 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-26 11:27   ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-26 15:45   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-26 15:45   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-26 15:45     ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-26 15:45     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27  4:07     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27  4:07       ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27  4:07       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27  6:51       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-27  6:51         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27  6:51       ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27  9:08       ` Alan Cox
2009-08-27  9:08         ` [Qemu-devel] " Alan Cox
2009-08-27  9:08         ` Alan Cox
2009-08-27  9:27         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27  9:27         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27  9:27           ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27  9:27           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27 11:45           ` [PATCH] hvc_console: provide (un)locked version for hvc_resize() Hendrik Brueckner
2009-08-27 11:45           ` Hendrik Brueckner
2009-08-27 11:45             ` [Qemu-devel] " Hendrik Brueckner
2009-08-27 11:45             ` Hendrik Brueckner
2009-08-29  1:15         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29  1:15           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29  1:15         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-27  9:08       ` Alan Cox
2009-08-27  4:07     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27  5:04     ` Michael Ellerman
2009-08-27  5:04     ` Michael Ellerman
2009-08-27  5:04       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael Ellerman
2009-08-27  5:04       ` Michael Ellerman
2009-08-27  6:52       ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27  6:52         ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-27  6:52         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27 14:13         ` Ryan Arnold
2009-08-27 14:13         ` Ryan Arnold
2009-08-27 14:13           ` [Qemu-devel] " Ryan Arnold
2009-08-27 14:13           ` Ryan Arnold
2009-08-27  6:52       ` Amit Shah
2009-08-28 17:00   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-28 17:00     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-08-30 10:10     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-30 10:10     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-30 10:10       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-30 12:48       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-30 12:48         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-08-30 13:17         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-30 13:17         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-30 13:17           ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-31 13:17           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 13:17             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 13:51             ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 13:51               ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-31 14:21               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 14:21               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 14:21                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 14:31                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 14:31                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 14:31                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-31 15:56                   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-08-31 15:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 16:19                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 16:19                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 16:19                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-31 16:37                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 16:37                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 16:37                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-21  5:20                         ` Rusty Russell
2009-09-21  5:20                         ` Rusty Russell
2009-09-21  5:20                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2009-08-31 13:51             ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 13:17           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-30 12:48       ` Anthony Liguori
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-08-25  6:17 Amit Shah

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