From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:56:27 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A9BF2AB.8080104@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090831143101.GA16943@amit-x200.redhat.com>
Amit Shah wrote:
> On (Mon) Aug 31 2009 [09:21:13], Anthony Liguori wrote:
>
>> Amit Shah wrote:
>>
>>> Can you please explain your rationale for being so rigid about merging
>>> the two drivers?
>>>
>>>
>> Because they do the same thing. I'm not going to constantly rehash
>> this. It's been explained multiple times.
>>
>
> It hardly looks like the same thing each passing day.
>
That's BS. The very first time you posted, you received the same
feedback from both Paul and I. See
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/44778. That was back
in June. You've consistently received the same feedback both on the ML
and in private.
> We're ending up having to compromise on the performance or functionality
> or simplicity the devices just because of this restriction.
>
This is _not_ a high performance device and there so far has been no
functionality impact. I don't understand why you keep dragging your
feet about this. It's very simple, if you post a functional set of
patches for a converged virtio-console driver, we'll merge it. If you
keep arguing about having a separate virtio-serial driver, it's not
going to get merged. I don't know how to be more clear than this.
>> If there are implementation issues within the Linux drivers because of
>> peculiarities of hvc then hvc needs to be fixed. It has nothing to do
>> with the driver ABI which is what qemu cares about.
>>
>
> I'd welcome that effort as well. But we all know that's not going to
> happen anytime soon.
>
That is not a justification to add a new device in QEMU. If we add a
new device everytime we encounter a less than ideal interface within a
guest, we're going to end up having hundreds of devices.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:56:27 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A9BF2AB.8080104@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090831143101.GA16943@amit-x200.redhat.com>
Amit Shah wrote:
> On (Mon) Aug 31 2009 [09:21:13], Anthony Liguori wrote:
>
>> Amit Shah wrote:
>>
>>> Can you please explain your rationale for being so rigid about merging
>>> the two drivers?
>>>
>>>
>> Because they do the same thing. I'm not going to constantly rehash
>> this. It's been explained multiple times.
>>
>
> It hardly looks like the same thing each passing day.
>
That's BS. The very first time you posted, you received the same
feedback from both Paul and I. See
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/44778. That was back
in June. You've consistently received the same feedback both on the ML
and in private.
> We're ending up having to compromise on the performance or functionality
> or simplicity the devices just because of this restriction.
>
This is _not_ a high performance device and there so far has been no
functionality impact. I don't understand why you keep dragging your
feet about this. It's very simple, if you post a functional set of
patches for a converged virtio-console driver, we'll merge it. If you
keep arguing about having a separate virtio-serial driver, it's not
going to get merged. I don't know how to be more clear than this.
>> If there are implementation issues within the Linux drivers because of
>> peculiarities of hvc then hvc needs to be fixed. It has nothing to do
>> with the driver ABI which is what qemu cares about.
>>
>
> I'd welcome that effort as well. But we all know that's not going to
> happen anytime soon.
>
That is not a justification to add a new device in QEMU. If we add a
new device everytime we encounter a less than ideal interface within a
guest, we're going to end up having hundreds of devices.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-31 15:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-25 6:17 Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` [PATCH] virtio_console: Add interface for guest and host communication Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` [PATCH 1/3] char: Emit 'CLOSED' events on char device close Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` [PATCH 2/3] virtio-console: rename dvq to ovq Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25 6:17 ` [PATCH] virtio_console: Add interface for guest and host communication Amit Shah
2009-08-25 8:16 ` [PATCH 3/3] virtio-console: Add interface for generic guest-host communication Amit Shah
2009-08-25 8:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-25 8:16 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-26 11:27 ` Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports Amit Shah
2009-08-26 11:27 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-26 11:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-26 15:45 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-26 15:45 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-26 15:45 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-26 15:45 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27 4:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27 4:07 ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27 4:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27 6:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-27 6:51 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27 6:51 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27 9:08 ` Alan Cox
2009-08-27 9:08 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alan Cox
2009-08-27 9:08 ` Alan Cox
2009-08-27 9:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27 9:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27 9:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27 9:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27 11:45 ` [PATCH] hvc_console: provide (un)locked version for hvc_resize() Hendrik Brueckner
2009-08-27 11:45 ` Hendrik Brueckner
2009-08-27 11:45 ` [Qemu-devel] " Hendrik Brueckner
2009-08-27 11:45 ` Hendrik Brueckner
2009-08-29 1:15 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Extending virtio_console to support multiple ports Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29 1:15 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-29 1:15 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-27 9:08 ` Alan Cox
2009-08-27 4:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-08-27 5:04 ` Michael Ellerman
2009-08-27 5:04 ` Michael Ellerman
2009-08-27 5:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael Ellerman
2009-08-27 5:04 ` Michael Ellerman
2009-08-27 6:52 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27 6:52 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-27 6:52 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-27 14:13 ` Ryan Arnold
2009-08-27 14:13 ` Ryan Arnold
2009-08-27 14:13 ` [Qemu-devel] " Ryan Arnold
2009-08-27 14:13 ` Ryan Arnold
2009-08-27 6:52 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-28 17:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-28 17:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-08-30 10:10 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-30 10:10 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-30 10:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-30 12:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-30 12:48 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-08-30 13:17 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-30 13:17 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-30 13:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-31 13:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 13:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 13:51 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 13:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-31 14:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 14:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 14:31 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 14:31 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 14:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-31 15:56 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-08-31 15:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 16:19 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 16:19 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 16:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-31 16:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 16:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-31 16:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-09-21 5:20 ` Rusty Russell
2009-09-21 5:20 ` Rusty Russell
2009-09-21 5:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2009-08-31 13:51 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-31 13:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-30 12:48 ` Anthony Liguori
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2009-08-25 6:17 Amit Shah
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