From: Alexey Starikovskiy <astarikovskiy@suse.de>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>,
linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] battery: Fix charge_now returned by broken batteries
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:56:55 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AC92837.80708@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200910050043.56667.rjw@sisk.pl>
Rafael J. Wysocki пишет:
> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Alexey Starikovskiy wrote:
>> Hi Rafael,
>
> Alex,
>
>> This is not my rule, it was/is the rule of power device class. If you do not agree to it, please change
>> appropriate documentation.
>
> I think we're talking about two different things. One thing is that we
> shouldn't put any _arbitrary_ interpretation rules into the kernel, which I
> agree with. The other one is that if there's a _known_ _broken_ hardware
> and one possible way of handling it is to add a quirk into the kernel, we
> should at least consider doing that.
>
> In my opinion adding a quirk for a broken hardware is not equivalent to
> "inferring not available properties using some heuristics or mathematical
> model", if that's what you're referring to.
No, this is not a clear "bug" and not a clear "fix". Please read my reply to Miguel.
>
> That said, the patch should not change the _default_ code in order to handle
> the quirky hardware correctly. IMO, the quirky hardware should be recognized
It will change behaviour of at least Samsung notebooks, for which I personally saw the
charge_now/full_charge being greater then design_charge.
> during initialisation, if possible, and later handled in a special way. If
> it's not possible to detect the broken hardware reliably, I agree that there's
> nothing we can do about that in the kernel.
I am still not sure if we have a broken hardware here.
Regards,
Alex.
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From: Alexey Starikovskiy <astarikovskiy@suse.de>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>,
linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] battery: Fix charge_now returned by broken batteries
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:56:55 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AC92837.80708@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200910050043.56667.rjw@sisk.pl>
Rafael J. Wysocki пишет:
> On Sunday 04 October 2009, Alexey Starikovskiy wrote:
>> Hi Rafael,
>
> Alex,
>
>> This is not my rule, it was/is the rule of power device class. If you do not agree to it, please change
>> appropriate documentation.
>
> I think we're talking about two different things. One thing is that we
> shouldn't put any _arbitrary_ interpretation rules into the kernel, which I
> agree with. The other one is that if there's a _known_ _broken_ hardware
> and one possible way of handling it is to add a quirk into the kernel, we
> should at least consider doing that.
>
> In my opinion adding a quirk for a broken hardware is not equivalent to
> "inferring not available properties using some heuristics or mathematical
> model", if that's what you're referring to.
No, this is not a clear "bug" and not a clear "fix". Please read my reply to Miguel.
>
> That said, the patch should not change the _default_ code in order to handle
> the quirky hardware correctly. IMO, the quirky hardware should be recognized
It will change behaviour of at least Samsung notebooks, for which I personally saw the
charge_now/full_charge being greater then design_charge.
> during initialisation, if possible, and later handled in a special way. If
> it's not possible to detect the broken hardware reliably, I agree that there's
> nothing we can do about that in the kernel.
I am still not sure if we have a broken hardware here.
Regards,
Alex.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-04 22:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-10-04 15:24 [PATCH] battery: Fix charge_now returned by broken batteries Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-04 16:45 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2009-10-04 17:46 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-04 18:57 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2009-10-04 20:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-04 21:36 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2009-10-04 21:36 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2009-10-04 21:55 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-04 21:55 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-04 22:38 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2009-10-04 22:38 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2009-10-04 23:53 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-04 23:53 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-05 0:18 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2009-10-05 0:18 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2009-10-06 17:05 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-06 17:05 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-10 12:04 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-10 20:53 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-10 21:25 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-10 21:44 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-10 22:49 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-10 21:52 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2009-10-04 22:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-04 22:56 ` Alexey Starikovskiy [this message]
2009-10-04 22:56 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2009-10-04 23:58 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-04 23:58 ` Miguel Ojeda
2009-10-04 21:42 ` Miguel Ojeda
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