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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH v2 9/9] Add -kvm option
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:31:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AD359E6.50108@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AD34C75.8090803@redhat.com>

Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> On 10/12/09 16:04, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>>> -M $machine gives you a barebone machine with all core devices which
>>> belong to it. You can't easily remove and/or replace devices.
>>> Especially not something central as the IRQ controller. But also no
>>> other core components, i.e. you wouldn't stick a piix4 ide controller
>>> into a Q35 machine. Just say 'no'.
>>
>> This seems fundamentally flawed to me. If you cannot remove a device
>> from a machine using command line options, then how do we support
>> something like -net none?
>
> '-net none' does not remove a nic.  It makes qemu not add the default 
> nic.

qemu should not have the concept of a default nic.   Instead, if you 
choose the pc machine type, by default you get an e1000.  I think it's 
also reasonable to get a USB controller too along with the balloon 
driver and anything else we think a user could benefit from.

If you give devices well known ids, then changing a default device is 
not really that big of a deal.  It involves removing the device and 
adding a new device with that same device id.

For platform devices, like the interrupt controller/pic, the same 
principle could be applied to switch out a userspace irqchip/pit with 
the kvm kernel implementations.

-- 
Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-12 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-07 22:08 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2] Add in-kernel irqchip Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 22:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/9] add base-addr field to io apic state Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 22:08   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/9] Save missing fields in VMState Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 22:08     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 3/9] provide in-kernel ioapic Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 22:08       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 4/9] provide in-kernel apic Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 22:08         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 5/9] provide apic_set_irq_delivered Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 22:08           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 6/9] provide in-kernel i8259 chip Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 22:08             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 7/9] initialize " Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 22:08               ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 8/9] Initialize in-kernel irqchip Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 22:08                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 9/9] Add -kvm option Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 23:00                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-07 23:14                     ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-07 23:28                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-12 11:58                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-12 14:04                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-12 15:34                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-12 16:31                               ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-10-13  8:05                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-13 15:33                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-13 19:26                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2009-10-13 20:43                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14  8:08                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-13 15:36                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-13 22:57                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-08 14:07                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 14:23                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 14:30                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 14:33                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 14:41                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 14:56                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 15:05                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 15:14                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-12 11:15                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-08 14:34                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-08 12:02               ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH v2 7/9] initialize i8259 chip Jan Kiszka
2009-10-08 13:55         ` [PATCH v2 4/9] provide in-kernel apic Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 13:55           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 14:09           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 14:09             ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 14:22             ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-09 10:06               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-09 10:06                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-10-09 14:30                 ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-09 14:30                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Glauber Costa
2009-10-09 16:48                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-09 16:48                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-09 18:06                     ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-09 18:06                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Glauber Costa
2009-10-09 19:49                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-09 19:49                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-11  9:10                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-11  9:10                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 13:41                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-12 13:41                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 14:26             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 14:26               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 14:31               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 14:31                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 14:39                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 14:46                   ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-08 14:46                     ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-08 14:44                 ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-08 14:44                   ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-08 11:46       ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH v2 3/9] provide in-kernel ioapic Jan Kiszka
2009-10-08 13:49       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 13:49         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 13:54         ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 13:54           ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 15:53           ` Jan Kiszka
2009-10-08 15:53             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2009-10-08 16:07           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-08 16:07             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-08 16:12             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 16:12               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-08 16:17             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 16:17               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 16:22               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-08 16:22                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-08 16:29                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 16:29                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 16:34                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-08 16:34                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-08 16:42                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 16:42                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-08 17:11                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-08 17:11                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-09 10:02                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-09 10:02                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-10-09 12:02                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-09 12:02                             ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-09 14:32                 ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-09 14:32                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Glauber Costa
2009-10-09 16:49                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-09 16:49                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-09 19:55                     ` Juan Quintela
2009-10-09 21:34                       ` Glauber Costa
2009-10-09 21:34                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Glauber Costa
2009-10-12 13:20                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-12 13:20                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-12 14:18                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-12 14:18                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-10-12 14:49                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-12 14:49                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori

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