* [PATCH] c/r: do not hold mmap_sem while checkpointing vma's
@ 2009-10-25 22:23 Oren Laadan
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From: Oren Laadan @ 2009-10-25 22:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA
This patch modifies the memory checkpoint code to _not_ hold the
mmap_sem while dumping out the vma's.
The problem with holding the mmap_sem is that it first takes the
mmap_sem and then takes the file's inode semaphore. This violates the
normal locking order, e,g, when taking a page fault during a copyout,
which is inode sem and then the mmap_sem.
Normally this reverse locking order won't cause a lockup because a the
output file for the checkpoint image isn't used by the checkpointee.
However, there a couple of cases where it may be a problem, e.g. when
some async-IO happens to complete and triggers a page fault at the
wrong time.
This fixes complaints from the lockdep about this reverse ordering.
Signed-off-by: Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
---
checkpoint/memory.c | 133 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------
1 files changed, 94 insertions(+), 39 deletions(-)
diff --git a/checkpoint/memory.c b/checkpoint/memory.c
index 0da948f..656614c 100644
--- a/checkpoint/memory.c
+++ b/checkpoint/memory.c
@@ -644,11 +644,80 @@ static int anonymous_checkpoint(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx,
return private_vma_checkpoint(ctx, vma, CKPT_VMA_ANON, 0);
}
+static int checkpoint_vmas(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx, struct mm_struct *mm)
+{
+ struct vm_area_struct *vma, *next;
+ int map_count = 0;
+ int ret = 0;
+
+ vma = kzalloc(sizeof(*vma), GFP_KERNEL);
+ if (!vma)
+ return -ENOMEM;
+
+ /*
+ * Must not hold mm->mmap_sem when writing to image file, so
+ * can't simply traverse the vma list. Instead, use find_vma()
+ * to get the @next and make a local "copy" of it.
+ */
+ while (1) {
+ down_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
+ next = find_vma(mm, vma->vm_end);
+ if (!next) {
+ up_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
+ break;
+ }
+ if (vma->vm_file)
+ fput(vma->vm_file);
+ *vma = *next;
+ if (vma->vm_file)
+ get_file(vma->vm_file);
+ up_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
+
+ map_count++;
+
+ ckpt_debug("vma %#lx-%#lx flags %#lx\n",
+ vma->vm_start, vma->vm_end, vma->vm_flags);
+
+ if (vma->vm_flags & CKPT_VMA_NOT_SUPPORTED) {
+ ckpt_write_err(ctx, "TE", "vma: bad flags (%#lx)\n",
+ -ENOSYS, vma->vm_flags);
+ ret = -ENOSYS;
+ break;
+ }
+
+ if (!vma->vm_ops)
+ ret = anonymous_checkpoint(ctx, vma);
+ else if (vma->vm_ops->checkpoint)
+ ret = (*vma->vm_ops->checkpoint)(ctx, vma);
+ else
+ ret = -ENOSYS;
+ if (ret < 0) {
+ ckpt_write_err(ctx, "TE", "vma: failed", ret);
+ break;
+ }
+ /*
+ * The file was collected, but not always checkpointed;
+ * be safe and mark as visited to appease leak detection
+ */
+ if (vma->vm_file && !(ctx->uflags & CHECKPOINT_SUBTREE)) {
+ ret = ckpt_obj_visit(ctx, vma->vm_file, CKPT_OBJ_FILE);
+ if (ret < 0)
+ break;
+ }
+ }
+
+ if (vma->vm_file)
+ fput(vma->vm_file);
+
+ kfree(vma);
+
+ return ret < 0 ? ret : map_count;
+}
+
static int do_checkpoint_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx, struct mm_struct *mm)
{
struct ckpt_hdr_mm *h;
- struct vm_area_struct *vma;
- int exe_objref = 0;
+ struct file *exe_file = NULL;
int ret;
h = ckpt_hdr_get_type(ctx, sizeof(*h), CKPT_HDR_MM);
@@ -674,14 +743,23 @@ static int do_checkpoint_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx, struct mm_struct *mm)
h->map_count = mm->map_count;
- /* checkpoint the ->exe_file */
- if (mm->exe_file) {
- exe_objref = checkpoint_obj(ctx, mm->exe_file, CKPT_OBJ_FILE);
- if (exe_objref < 0) {
- ret = exe_objref;
+ if (mm->exe_file) { /* checkpoint the ->exe_file */
+ exe_file = mm->exe_file;
+ get_file(exe_file);
+ }
+
+ /*
+ * Drop mm->mmap_sem before writing data to checkpoint image
+ * to avoid reverse locking order (inode must come before mm).
+ */
+ up_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
+
+ if (exe_file) {
+ h->exe_objref = checkpoint_obj(ctx, exe_file, CKPT_OBJ_FILE);
+ if (h->exe_objref < 0) {
+ ret = h->exe_objref;
goto out;
}
- h->exe_objref = exe_objref;
}
ret = ckpt_write_obj(ctx, &h->h);
@@ -692,40 +770,17 @@ static int do_checkpoint_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx, struct mm_struct *mm)
if (ret < 0)
return ret;
- /* write the vma's */
- for (vma = mm->mmap; vma; vma = vma->vm_next) {
- ckpt_debug("vma %#lx-%#lx flags %#lx\n",
- vma->vm_start, vma->vm_end, vma->vm_flags);
- if (vma->vm_flags & CKPT_VMA_NOT_SUPPORTED) {
- ckpt_write_err(ctx, "TE", "vma: bad flags (%#lx)\n",
- -ENOSYS, vma->vm_flags);
- return -ENOSYS;
- }
- if (!vma->vm_ops)
- ret = anonymous_checkpoint(ctx, vma);
- else if (vma->vm_ops->checkpoint)
- ret = (*vma->vm_ops->checkpoint)(ctx, vma);
- else
- ret = -ENOSYS;
- if (ret < 0) {
- ckpt_write_err(ctx, "TE", "vma: failed", ret);
- goto out;
- }
- /*
- * The file was collected, but not always checkpointed;
- * be safe and mark as visited to appease leak detection
- */
- if (vma->vm_file && !(ctx->uflags & CHECKPOINT_SUBTREE)) {
- ret = ckpt_obj_visit(ctx, vma->vm_file, CKPT_OBJ_FILE);
- if (ret < 0)
- goto out;
- }
- }
+ ret = checkpoint_vmas(ctx, mm);
+ if (ret != h->map_count && ret >= 0)
+ ret = -EBUSY; /* checkpoint mm leak */
+ if (ret < 0)
+ goto out;
ret = checkpoint_mm_context(ctx, mm);
out:
+ if (exe_file)
+ fput(exe_file);
ckpt_hdr_put(ctx, h);
- up_read(&mm->mmap_sem);
return ret;
}
@@ -1288,9 +1343,9 @@ static struct mm_struct *do_restore_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx)
}
set_mm_exe_file(mm, file);
}
+ up_write(&mm->mmap_sem);
ret = _ckpt_read_buffer(ctx, mm->saved_auxv, sizeof(mm->saved_auxv));
- up_write(&mm->mmap_sem);
if (ret < 0)
goto out;
--
1.6.0.4
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* Re: [PATCH] c/r: do not hold mmap_sem while checkpointing vma's [not found] ` <1256509409-3866-1-git-send-email-orenl-RdfvBDnrOixBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> @ 2009-10-26 17:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn [not found] ` <20091026172423.GG23564-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 2009-10-26 20:52 ` Matt Helsley 1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Serge E. Hallyn @ 2009-10-26 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Oren Laadan; +Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA Quoting Oren Laadan (orenl-RdfvBDnrOixBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org): > This patch modifies the memory checkpoint code to _not_ hold the > mmap_sem while dumping out the vma's. > > The problem with holding the mmap_sem is that it first takes the > mmap_sem and then takes the file's inode semaphore. This violates the > normal locking order, e,g, when taking a page fault during a copyout, > which is inode sem and then the mmap_sem. > > Normally this reverse locking order won't cause a lockup because a the > output file for the checkpoint image isn't used by the checkpointee. > However, there a couple of cases where it may be a problem, e.g. when > some async-IO happens to complete and triggers a page fault at the > wrong time. > > This fixes complaints from the lockdep about this reverse ordering. > > Signed-off-by: Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org> > --- > checkpoint/memory.c | 133 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------------- > 1 files changed, 94 insertions(+), 39 deletions(-) ... > @@ -1288,9 +1343,9 @@ static struct mm_struct *do_restore_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx) > } > set_mm_exe_file(mm, file); > } > + up_write(&mm->mmap_sem); > > ret = _ckpt_read_buffer(ctx, mm->saved_auxv, sizeof(mm->saved_auxv)); > - up_write(&mm->mmap_sem); > if (ret < 0) > goto out; Could there be a race here? (If only with someone reading /proc/PID/auxv while this is happening, though maybe with another task sharing the mm at restart) I wonder whether you should read into a tmpbuf without mm->mmap_sem, then re-acquire and write into mm->saved_auxv? -serge ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: [PATCH] c/r: do not hold mmap_sem while checkpointing vma's [not found] ` <20091026172423.GG23564-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> @ 2009-10-26 17:39 ` Oren Laadan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Oren Laadan @ 2009-10-26 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Serge E. Hallyn; +Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA Serge E. Hallyn wrote: > Quoting Oren Laadan (orenl-RdfvBDnrOixBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org): >> This patch modifies the memory checkpoint code to _not_ hold the >> mmap_sem while dumping out the vma's. >> >> The problem with holding the mmap_sem is that it first takes the >> mmap_sem and then takes the file's inode semaphore. This violates the >> normal locking order, e,g, when taking a page fault during a copyout, >> which is inode sem and then the mmap_sem. >> >> Normally this reverse locking order won't cause a lockup because a the >> output file for the checkpoint image isn't used by the checkpointee. >> However, there a couple of cases where it may be a problem, e.g. when >> some async-IO happens to complete and triggers a page fault at the >> wrong time. >> >> This fixes complaints from the lockdep about this reverse ordering. >> >> Signed-off-by: Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org> >> --- >> checkpoint/memory.c | 133 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------------- >> 1 files changed, 94 insertions(+), 39 deletions(-) > ... >> @@ -1288,9 +1343,9 @@ static struct mm_struct *do_restore_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx) >> } >> set_mm_exe_file(mm, file); >> } >> + up_write(&mm->mmap_sem); >> >> ret = _ckpt_read_buffer(ctx, mm->saved_auxv, sizeof(mm->saved_auxv)); >> - up_write(&mm->mmap_sem); >> if (ret < 0) >> goto out; > > Could there be a race here? (If only with someone reading /proc/PID/auxv > while this is happening, though maybe with another task sharing the mm at > restart) I wonder whether you should read into a tmpbuf without mm->mmap_sem, > then re-acquire and write into mm->saved_auxv? There is a race, but it is a harmless race: a user who does weird things will get weird results (*). Note that proc_pid_auxv() does not take the mmap_sem anyway. If another process shared mm with a restarting task, then that other process will crash soon after the mm is restored (see *). Oren. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH] c/r: do not hold mmap_sem while checkpointing vma's [not found] ` <1256509409-3866-1-git-send-email-orenl-RdfvBDnrOixBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> 2009-10-26 17:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn @ 2009-10-26 20:52 ` Matt Helsley [not found] ` <20091026205236.GK31446-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Matt Helsley @ 2009-10-26 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Oren Laadan; +Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 06:23:29PM -0400, Oren Laadan wrote: > This patch modifies the memory checkpoint code to _not_ hold the > mmap_sem while dumping out the vma's. > > The problem with holding the mmap_sem is that it first takes the > mmap_sem and then takes the file's inode semaphore. This violates the > normal locking order, e,g, when taking a page fault during a copyout, > which is inode sem and then the mmap_sem. > > Normally this reverse locking order won't cause a lockup because a the > output file for the checkpoint image isn't used by the checkpointee. > However, there a couple of cases where it may be a problem, e.g. when > some async-IO happens to complete and triggers a page fault at the > wrong time. > > This fixes complaints from the lockdep about this reverse ordering. > > Signed-off-by: Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org> > --- > checkpoint/memory.c | 133 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------------- > 1 files changed, 94 insertions(+), 39 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/checkpoint/memory.c b/checkpoint/memory.c > index 0da948f..656614c 100644 > --- a/checkpoint/memory.c > +++ b/checkpoint/memory.c > @@ -644,11 +644,80 @@ static int anonymous_checkpoint(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx, > return private_vma_checkpoint(ctx, vma, CKPT_VMA_ANON, 0); > } > > +static int checkpoint_vmas(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx, struct mm_struct *mm) > +{ > + struct vm_area_struct *vma, *next; > + int map_count = 0; > + int ret = 0; > + > + vma = kzalloc(sizeof(*vma), GFP_KERNEL); > + if (!vma) > + return -ENOMEM; > + > + /* > + * Must not hold mm->mmap_sem when writing to image file, so > + * can't simply traverse the vma list. Instead, use find_vma() > + * to get the @next and make a local "copy" of it. > + */ > + while (1) { > + down_read(&mm->mmap_sem); > + next = find_vma(mm, vma->vm_end); > + if (!next) { > + up_read(&mm->mmap_sem); > + break; > + } > + if (vma->vm_file) > + fput(vma->vm_file); > + *vma = *next; > + if (vma->vm_file) > + get_file(vma->vm_file); > + up_read(&mm->mmap_sem); > + > + map_count++; > + > + ckpt_debug("vma %#lx-%#lx flags %#lx\n", > + vma->vm_start, vma->vm_end, vma->vm_flags); > + > + if (vma->vm_flags & CKPT_VMA_NOT_SUPPORTED) { > + ckpt_write_err(ctx, "TE", "vma: bad flags (%#lx)\n", > + -ENOSYS, vma->vm_flags); > + ret = -ENOSYS; > + break; > + } > + > + if (!vma->vm_ops) > + ret = anonymous_checkpoint(ctx, vma); > + else if (vma->vm_ops->checkpoint) > + ret = (*vma->vm_ops->checkpoint)(ctx, vma); > + else > + ret = -ENOSYS; > + if (ret < 0) { > + ckpt_write_err(ctx, "TE", "vma: failed", ret); > + break; > + } > + /* > + * The file was collected, but not always checkpointed; > + * be safe and mark as visited to appease leak detection > + */ > + if (vma->vm_file && !(ctx->uflags & CHECKPOINT_SUBTREE)) { > + ret = ckpt_obj_visit(ctx, vma->vm_file, CKPT_OBJ_FILE); > + if (ret < 0) > + break; > + } > + } > + > + if (vma->vm_file) > + fput(vma->vm_file); > + > + kfree(vma); > + > + return ret < 0 ? ret : map_count; > +} > + > static int do_checkpoint_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx, struct mm_struct *mm) > { > struct ckpt_hdr_mm *h; > - struct vm_area_struct *vma; > - int exe_objref = 0; > + struct file *exe_file = NULL; > int ret; > > h = ckpt_hdr_get_type(ctx, sizeof(*h), CKPT_HDR_MM); > @@ -674,14 +743,23 @@ static int do_checkpoint_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx, struct mm_struct *mm) > > h->map_count = mm->map_count; > > - /* checkpoint the ->exe_file */ > - if (mm->exe_file) { > - exe_objref = checkpoint_obj(ctx, mm->exe_file, CKPT_OBJ_FILE); > - if (exe_objref < 0) { > - ret = exe_objref; > + if (mm->exe_file) { /* checkpoint the ->exe_file */ > + exe_file = mm->exe_file; > + get_file(exe_file); > + } > + > + /* > + * Drop mm->mmap_sem before writing data to checkpoint image > + * to avoid reverse locking order (inode must come before mm). > + */ > + up_read(&mm->mmap_sem); > + > + if (exe_file) { > + h->exe_objref = checkpoint_obj(ctx, exe_file, CKPT_OBJ_FILE); > + if (h->exe_objref < 0) { > + ret = h->exe_objref; > goto out; > } > - h->exe_objref = exe_objref; > } > > ret = ckpt_write_obj(ctx, &h->h); > @@ -692,40 +770,17 @@ static int do_checkpoint_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx, struct mm_struct *mm) > if (ret < 0) > return ret; > > - /* write the vma's */ > - for (vma = mm->mmap; vma; vma = vma->vm_next) { > - ckpt_debug("vma %#lx-%#lx flags %#lx\n", > - vma->vm_start, vma->vm_end, vma->vm_flags); > - if (vma->vm_flags & CKPT_VMA_NOT_SUPPORTED) { > - ckpt_write_err(ctx, "TE", "vma: bad flags (%#lx)\n", > - -ENOSYS, vma->vm_flags); > - return -ENOSYS; > - } > - if (!vma->vm_ops) > - ret = anonymous_checkpoint(ctx, vma); > - else if (vma->vm_ops->checkpoint) > - ret = (*vma->vm_ops->checkpoint)(ctx, vma); > - else > - ret = -ENOSYS; > - if (ret < 0) { > - ckpt_write_err(ctx, "TE", "vma: failed", ret); > - goto out; > - } > - /* > - * The file was collected, but not always checkpointed; > - * be safe and mark as visited to appease leak detection > - */ > - if (vma->vm_file && !(ctx->uflags & CHECKPOINT_SUBTREE)) { > - ret = ckpt_obj_visit(ctx, vma->vm_file, CKPT_OBJ_FILE); > - if (ret < 0) > - goto out; > - } > - } > + ret = checkpoint_vmas(ctx, mm); > + if (ret != h->map_count && ret >= 0) > + ret = -EBUSY; /* checkpoint mm leak */ > + if (ret < 0) > + goto out; > > ret = checkpoint_mm_context(ctx, mm); > out: > + if (exe_file) > + fput(exe_file); > ckpt_hdr_put(ctx, h); > - up_read(&mm->mmap_sem); > return ret; > } > > @@ -1288,9 +1343,9 @@ static struct mm_struct *do_restore_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx) > } > set_mm_exe_file(mm, file); > } > + up_write(&mm->mmap_sem); > > ret = _ckpt_read_buffer(ctx, mm->saved_auxv, sizeof(mm->saved_auxv)); > - up_write(&mm->mmap_sem); > if (ret < 0) > goto out; > > -- At least in the restart path it's interesting to see how Alexey did it without mmap_sem, at least for part of it: http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/25337/ (search for kstate_restore_mm_struct()) Is that a feasible and more-suitable approach for the initial portions of mm restore? Cheers, -Matt Helsley ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: [PATCH] c/r: do not hold mmap_sem while checkpointing vma's [not found] ` <20091026205236.GK31446-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org> @ 2009-10-26 23:24 ` Oren Laadan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Oren Laadan @ 2009-10-26 23:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matt Helsley; +Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA Matt Helsley wrote: > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 06:23:29PM -0400, Oren Laadan wrote: >> This patch modifies the memory checkpoint code to _not_ hold the >> mmap_sem while dumping out the vma's. >> >> The problem with holding the mmap_sem is that it first takes the >> mmap_sem and then takes the file's inode semaphore. This violates the >> normal locking order, e,g, when taking a page fault during a copyout, >> which is inode sem and then the mmap_sem. >> >> Normally this reverse locking order won't cause a lockup because a the >> output file for the checkpoint image isn't used by the checkpointee. >> However, there a couple of cases where it may be a problem, e.g. when >> some async-IO happens to complete and triggers a page fault at the >> wrong time. >> >> This fixes complaints from the lockdep about this reverse ordering. >> >> Signed-off-by: Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org> >> --- >> checkpoint/memory.c | 133 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------------- >> 1 files changed, 94 insertions(+), 39 deletions(-) [...] >> @@ -1288,9 +1343,9 @@ static struct mm_struct *do_restore_mm(struct ckpt_ctx *ctx) >> } >> set_mm_exe_file(mm, file); >> } >> + up_write(&mm->mmap_sem); >> >> ret = _ckpt_read_buffer(ctx, mm->saved_auxv, sizeof(mm->saved_auxv)); >> - up_write(&mm->mmap_sem); >> if (ret < 0) >> goto out; >> >> -- > > At least in the restart path it's interesting to see how Alexey did it > without mmap_sem, at least for part of it: > > http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/25337/ > > (search for kstate_restore_mm_struct()) He's allocating a new mm. And he must do so because all tasks in the tree are created sharing their parent's mm (unless it's a thread). > Is that a feasible and more-suitable approach for the initial portions > of mm restore? Feasible ? yes. More-suitable ? why ? In our case, processes (unless threads) already have their "new" mm, so you are suggesting to drop it and allocate a new one. I'm unsure what is the issue with the current approach. Oren. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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