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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com>,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>,
	zach.brown@oracle.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	chris.mason@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:28:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AED54D1.6070706@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f14ec444-c388-4275-8f9d-e873d1e6ea40@default>

On 10/29/2009 06:15 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> On a related note, though some topic drift, many of
> the problems that occur in virtualization due to migration
> could be better addressed if Linux had an architected
> interface to allow it to be signaled if a migration
> occurred, and if Linux could signal applications of
> the same.  I don't have any cycles (pun intended) to
> think about this right now, but if anyone else starts
> looking at it, I'd love to be cc'ed.
>    

IMO that's not a good direction.  The hypervisor should not depend on 
the guest for migration (the guest may be broken, or malicious, or being 
debugged, or slow).  So the notification must be asynchronous, which 
means that it will only be delivered to applications after migration has 
completed.

Instead of a "migration has occured, run for the hills" signal we're 
better of finding out why applications want to know about this event and 
addressing specific needs.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com>,
	kurt.hackel@oracle.com, Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Glauber de Oliveira Costa <gcosta@redhat.com>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>,
	zach.brown@oracle.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	chris.mason@oracle.com
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:28:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AED54D1.6070706@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f14ec444-c388-4275-8f9d-e873d1e6ea40@default>

On 10/29/2009 06:15 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> On a related note, though some topic drift, many of
> the problems that occur in virtualization due to migration
> could be better addressed if Linux had an architected
> interface to allow it to be signaled if a migration
> occurred, and if Linux could signal applications of
> the same.  I don't have any cycles (pun intended) to
> think about this right now, but if anyone else starts
> looking at it, I'd love to be cc'ed.
>    

IMO that's not a good direction.  The hypervisor should not depend on 
the guest for migration (the guest may be broken, or malicious, or being 
debugged, or slow).  So the notification must be asynchronous, which 
means that it will only be delivered to applications after migration has 
completed.

Instead of a "migration has occured, run for the hills" signal we're 
better of finding out why applications want to know about this event and 
addressing specific needs.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-01  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-06  0:50 [PATCH RFC] Extending pvclock down to usermode for vsyscall Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 1/5] x86/pvclock: make sure rdtsc doesn't speculate out of region Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 2/5] x86/pvclock: no need to use strong read barriers in pvclock_get_time_values Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86/pvclock: add vsyscall implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  9:04   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06  9:04     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06 14:19     ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-06 14:19       ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-06 15:11       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06 15:11         ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-06 18:46     ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 18:46       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 10:25       ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 10:25         ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 19:29         ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 19:29           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 20:09           ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 20:09             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:19             ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:19               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:37               ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:37                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:51                 ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:51                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-07 21:53                   ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 20:48         ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-07 20:48           ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-07 21:08           ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 21:08             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-07 22:36             ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-07 22:36               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-10  0:24         ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-10  0:24           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-10 18:10           ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-10 18:10             ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 18:20             ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-12 18:20               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-12 18:29               ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 18:29                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-12 19:13                 ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-12 19:13                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-13  6:39                   ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-13  6:39                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-13 20:00                     ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-13 20:00                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-14 12:32                       ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-14 12:32                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-15 19:17                         ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-15 19:17                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-27 17:29                         ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-27 17:29                           ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-27 18:20                           ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-27 18:20                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-28  5:52                             ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-28  5:52                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28  9:29                               ` [Xen-devel] " Glauber Costa
2009-10-28  9:34                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28  9:34                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-28 17:47                                   ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-28 17:47                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-29 12:13                                     ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 12:13                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 13:03                                       ` [Xen-devel] " Chris Mason
2009-10-29 13:03                                         ` Chris Mason
2009-10-29 14:46                                       ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 14:46                                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 15:07                                         ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 15:07                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-29 15:55                                           ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 15:55                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 16:15                                             ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-29 16:15                                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-01  9:28                                               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-11-01  9:28                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:28                                                 ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-02 15:28                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-02 15:41                                                   ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:41                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-01  9:32                                             ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-11-01  9:32                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-02 15:46                                               ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-02 15:46                                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-03  5:12                                                 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-11-03  5:12                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-04 20:30                                                   ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-04 20:30                                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05  6:47                                                     ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-11-05  6:47                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:52                                                       ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05 14:52                                                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05 15:07                                                         ` [Xen-devel] " Keir Fraser
2009-11-05 15:07                                                           ` Keir Fraser
2009-11-04 21:19                                           ` [Xen-devel] " john stultz
2009-11-04 21:19                                             ` john stultz
2009-11-04 21:28                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-04 21:28                                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05  0:02                                               ` [Xen-devel] " john stultz
2009-11-05  0:02                                                 ` john stultz
2009-11-05  0:45                                                 ` [Xen-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2009-11-05  0:45                                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-30 23:30                                     ` pvclock implementation in pv_ops kernel: why not __native_read_tsc()? Dan Magenheimer
2009-10-31  1:17                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/fixmap: add a predicate for usermode fixmaps Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:23   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 10:23     ` Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:47     ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 18:47       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50 ` [PATCH 5/5] xen/time: add pvclock_clocksource_vread support Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06  0:50   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 10:28   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 10:28     ` Jan Beulich
2009-10-06 18:48     ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-10-06 18:48       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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