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From: Tim Blechmann <tim@klingt.org>
To: Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>
Cc: Nicholas Mc Guire <der.herr@hofr.at>,
	y@opentech.at, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: rt file i/o
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:29:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AF29B16.1000104@klingt.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091104164413.3aff479c@torg>

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On 11/04/2009 11:44 PM, Clark Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:32:41 +0100
> Tim Blechmann <tim@klingt.org> wrote:
> 
>>>> well, if i understand the rt howto correctly, _no_ disc access is
>>>> allowed, neither from rt nor from non-rt threads, since it may produce
>>>> page faults, which introduce latencies ...
>>>
>>> I would be supprised if the rt howto states that page-faults in non-rt
>>> threads is a critical problem - that would not significantly impact RT
>>> performance - atelast not the worst case - it will (as every other system
>>> load) impact the average case. so having a non-rt thread reading disk-files
>>> to a buffer and a rt-thread processing this buffer should be perfectly fine.
>>
>> that is what i thought for years ... but according to [1] a page fault
>> in an rt process freezes the entire process with both rt and non-rt
>> threads until the page fault is handled ...
>>
> 
> No, we need to get that fixed in the wiki. It may have been the case
> that the entire process was frozen while a fault was being handled, but
> I don't believe that is the case now. If you're in a thread on core0
> and a sibling thread on core1 faults, you shouldn't be impacted unless
> you're trying to reference the same memory. 

well, then my application seems to be real-time safe ... it would be
nice if the wiki would reflect the current state of the rt-preempt
kernel, though ...

thnx, tim

-- 
tim@klingt.org
http://tim.klingt.org

All we composers really have to work with is time and sound - and
sometimes I'm not even sure about sound.
  Morton Feldman


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-05  9:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-04 15:25 rt file i/o Tim Blechmann
2009-11-04 15:43 ` Mark Knecht
2009-11-04 15:52   ` Tim Blechmann
2009-11-04 17:14     ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2009-11-04 17:32       ` Tim Blechmann
2009-11-04 22:41         ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2009-11-04 22:44         ` Clark Williams
2009-11-05  4:30           ` Shane M Smith
2009-11-05  9:29           ` Tim Blechmann [this message]
2009-11-05 20:30             ` Remy Bohmer
2009-11-05  9:22       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-11-05  4:14     ` Mark Knecht
2009-11-04 17:09 ` Nicholas Mc Guire

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