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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@domain.hid>
To: Gilles Chanteperdrix <gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org>
Cc: Wolfgang Mauerer <wm@domain.hid>, xenomai@xenomai.org
Subject: Re: [Xenomai-core] Realtime gettimeofday()
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:43:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B166EFB.8050309@domain.hid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B166A5B.6030400@domain.hid>

Gilles Chanteperdrix wrote:
> Wolfgang Mauerer wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> we'd like to implement a gettimeofday() mechanism that works
>> in realtime context, both from user- and kernelland. Most importantly,
>> the correctins made to the wall time by the NTP protcol on Linux
>> must be transferred into the Xenomai domain.
> 
> Yes, the real issue is NTP, because other than that, you can simply
> implement gettimeofday in terms of clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME).

Not truly as Linux processes that tune the host clock do not affect the
Xenomai world.

> 
> This issue has been discussed several times, but never a lot. We have a
> simple solution: starting with 2.4 (if I remember correctly) xenomai
> provides clock_settime, so you can simply rely on clock_gettime, and
> call clock_settime from time to time to resync the Xenomai clock with
> Linux NTP-enhanced clock. This is not pretty, you get a drift increasing
> over time, then suddenly been reset. But I guess this has been enough
> for current users, until now. You control the maximum drift by how often
> you call clock_settime.
> 
> Would not it be enough for your use of xenomai?

Nope for the reasons you mentioned.

Moreover, reading the Xenomai real-time clock requires a syscall,
gettimeofday can work without that penalty (given non-broken TSC).

Next issue is that the different clock bases of
clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME) and (real) gettimeofday + the switch-back
or even lock-up side-effects of the latter have been quite a PITA in our
project.

And finally, the vision is to have NTP-accurate (or whatever the sync
source is, eg. IEEE1588) absolute timing also for the nucleus one day.
Having an RT-safe way to obtain the NTP parameters from any context is
the first step.

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT T DE IT 1
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux


  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-02 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-02 12:55 [Xenomai-core] Realtime gettimeofday() Wolfgang Mauerer
2009-12-02 13:23 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-02 13:43   ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2009-12-02 14:15     ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-02 14:31       ` Jan Kiszka
2009-12-02 14:35         ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-02 14:55           ` Jan Kiszka
2009-12-02 15:03             ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-02 15:16               ` Jan Kiszka
2009-12-02 16:08                 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-02 16:23                   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-12-02 16:59                     ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-02 20:54                       ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-02 22:03                         ` Wolfgang Mauerer
2009-12-02 22:20                           ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-02 22:33                             ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-03  9:36                             ` Wolfgang Mauerer
2009-12-03 10:50                               ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-03 13:11                                 ` Wolfgang Mauerer
2009-12-03 13:14                                   ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-03 13:32                                     ` Wolfgang Mauerer
2009-12-03 13:38                                       ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-03 20:31                                         ` Wolfgang Mauerer
2009-12-03 21:42                                           ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-05 16:11                                             ` Philippe Gerum
2009-12-07  9:14                                               ` Jan Kiszka
2009-12-07 13:43                                                 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2009-12-07 13:50                                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-12-07 14:07                                                   ` Philippe Gerum
2009-12-07 14:21                                                     ` Wolfgang Mauerer
2009-12-15 15:00   ` Richard Cochran
2009-12-15 15:07     ` Gilles Chanteperdrix

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