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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Chris Wright <chrisw@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: KVM call agenda for Jan 26
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:59:02 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B5F0336.7030204@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2D8DB108-5885-4156-AC83-D9E91075861B@suse.de>

On 01/26/2010 08:50 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
> On 26.01.2010, at 15:47, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
>    
>> On 01/26/2010 04:42 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>      
>>>        
>>>> That's /proc/cpuinfo, we should just extend it, maybe that's what Alex meant, but I'd like to see something more capable.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> I think we're all looking at different use-cases.
>>>
>>> First and frontmost the one type of user I'm concerned with in this case is a mortal end-user who doesn't know that much about virtualization details and doesn't care what NPT is. He just wants to have a VM running and wants to know how well it'll work.
>>>
>>>        
>> It really depends on what he does with it.  3D gaming? might have a different experience from the always exciting kernel builds.
>>      
> Well, we can give an estimation (based on previous measurements) for certain subsystems. Like I proposed in the original mail, we can actually give users information about virtual CPU speed.
>    

The problem with making an unqualified statement about something like 
"virtual CPU speed" is that if a user runs a random benchmark, and gets 
less than XX%, they'll consider it a bug and be unhappy.

I'm very reluctant to take anything in QEMU that makes promises about 
virtualization performance.  It's a bad idea IMHO.

> With SPICE hopefully merged one day we also could give some estimates on 3D performance.
>    

Spice doesn't support 3D today.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Alex


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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@redhat.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: KVM call agenda for Jan 26
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:59:02 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B5F0336.7030204@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2D8DB108-5885-4156-AC83-D9E91075861B@suse.de>

On 01/26/2010 08:50 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
> On 26.01.2010, at 15:47, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
>    
>> On 01/26/2010 04:42 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>      
>>>        
>>>> That's /proc/cpuinfo, we should just extend it, maybe that's what Alex meant, but I'd like to see something more capable.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> I think we're all looking at different use-cases.
>>>
>>> First and frontmost the one type of user I'm concerned with in this case is a mortal end-user who doesn't know that much about virtualization details and doesn't care what NPT is. He just wants to have a VM running and wants to know how well it'll work.
>>>
>>>        
>> It really depends on what he does with it.  3D gaming? might have a different experience from the always exciting kernel builds.
>>      
> Well, we can give an estimation (based on previous measurements) for certain subsystems. Like I proposed in the original mail, we can actually give users information about virtual CPU speed.
>    

The problem with making an unqualified statement about something like 
"virtual CPU speed" is that if a user runs a random benchmark, and gets 
less than XX%, they'll consider it a bug and be unhappy.

I'm very reluctant to take anything in QEMU that makes promises about 
virtualization performance.  It's a bad idea IMHO.

> With SPICE hopefully merged one day we also could give some estimates on 3D performance.
>    

Spice doesn't support 3D today.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-26 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-26  6:49 KVM call agenda for Jan 26 Chris Wright
2010-01-26  6:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Chris Wright
2010-01-26  9:09 ` Alexander Graf
2010-01-26  9:09   ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2010-01-26 13:11   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 13:11     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 13:17     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 13:17       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 13:18     ` Alexander Graf
2010-01-26 13:18       ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2010-01-26 13:24       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 13:24         ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 13:33         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-26 13:33           ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-26 13:37           ` Alexander Graf
2010-01-26 13:37             ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2010-01-26 13:45           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 13:45             ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:13         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 14:13           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 14:15           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:15             ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:22             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 14:22               ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 14:26               ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:26                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:32                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 14:32                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 14:37                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:37                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:42                     ` Alexander Graf
2010-01-26 14:42                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2010-01-26 14:47                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:47                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:50                         ` Alexander Graf
2010-01-26 14:50                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2010-01-26 14:59                           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-01-26 14:59                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 14:42                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 14:42                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 14:44                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-26 14:44                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity

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