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From: Alexey Starikovskiy <astarikovskiy@suse.de>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
Cc: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	Alan Jenkins <sourcejedi.lkml@googlemail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Renninger <trenn@suse.de>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][RFT][PATCH] ACPI: Protection from suspending in the middle of EC transaction
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:22:55 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B66AB7F.7050908@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100201094643.GB8740@khazad-dum.debian.net>

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh пишет:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
>> Unfortunately, this patch even causes regressions on my notebook (it
>> survive 63 hibernate cycles), but now I battery driver reports 'battery
>> absent', backlight driver reports 0 brightness, but reload helped.
> 
> ...
> 
>> I think that not only _PTS ans _WAK are problematic. What about other
>> ACPI drivers that start accessing the EC before it is resumed?
>> I think that these cause the problems I observe.
> 
> ACPI drivers might access the EC (even indirectly, through the DSDT).  And
> platform drivers do often access the EC both at suspend and resume time.
Actually, only SBS and thinkpad-acpi access EC directly. All others go through
DSDT for access. Still, stopping EC in .suspend is too early, IMHO...
> 
> This needs some sort of strong ordering, the EC must suspend last, and
> resume first (as seen by any ACPI and ACPI-aware drivers such as libata,
> some platform drivers, etc).  If EC interrupts are a problem, maybe it can
> be kicked to poll mode for the suspend/resume transition?
It's this way already for about a year now... The problem is that EC driver might be 
stopped in middle of the transaction, thus leaving EC in unknown state for BIOS or 
switch-over kernel.

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From: Alexey Starikovskiy <astarikovskiy@suse.de>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
Cc: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	Alan Jenkins <sourcejedi.lkml@googlemail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Renninger <trenn@suse.de>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][RFT][PATCH] ACPI: Protection from suspending in the middle of EC transaction
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:22:55 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B66AB7F.7050908@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100201094643.GB8740@khazad-dum.debian.net>

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh пишет:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2010, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
>> Unfortunately, this patch even causes regressions on my notebook (it
>> survive 63 hibernate cycles), but now I battery driver reports 'battery
>> absent', backlight driver reports 0 brightness, but reload helped.
> 
> ...
> 
>> I think that not only _PTS ans _WAK are problematic. What about other
>> ACPI drivers that start accessing the EC before it is resumed?
>> I think that these cause the problems I observe.
> 
> ACPI drivers might access the EC (even indirectly, through the DSDT).  And
> platform drivers do often access the EC both at suspend and resume time.
Actually, only SBS and thinkpad-acpi access EC directly. All others go through
DSDT for access. Still, stopping EC in .suspend is too early, IMHO...
> 
> This needs some sort of strong ordering, the EC must suspend last, and
> resume first (as seen by any ACPI and ACPI-aware drivers such as libata,
> some platform drivers, etc).  If EC interrupts are a problem, maybe it can
> be kicked to poll mode for the suspend/resume transition?
It's this way already for about a year now... The problem is that EC driver might be 
stopped in middle of the transaction, thus leaving EC in unknown state for BIOS or 
switch-over kernel.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-02-01 10:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-30 23:29 [RFC][RFT][PATCH] ACPI: Protection from suspending in the middle of EC transaction Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-31 14:11 ` Alan Jenkins
2010-01-31 14:11 ` Alan Jenkins
2010-01-31 14:11   ` Alan Jenkins
2010-01-31 17:09   ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-02-01  9:46     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-01 10:22       ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2010-02-01 10:22       ` Alexey Starikovskiy [this message]
2010-02-01 10:22         ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2010-02-01 22:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-01 22:42           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-02 20:23           ` [PATCH] ACPI / EC: Remover race between EC driver and suspend process (was: Re: [RFC][RFT][PATCH] ACPI: Protection from suspending in the middle of EC transaction) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-02 20:23             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-02 20:23           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-01 22:42         ` [RFC][RFT][PATCH] ACPI: Protection from suspending in the middle of EC transaction Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-01  9:46     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-01-31 17:09   ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-01-31 20:41 ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-01-31 20:41 ` Maxim Levitsky
2010-01-31 21:09   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-31 22:31     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-31 22:31     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-01-31 21:09   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-03  0:32 ` [PATCH] ACPI / EC: Remove race between EC driver and suspend process (rev. 2) (was: Re: [RFC][RFT][PATCH] ACPI: Protection from suspending in the middle of EC transaction) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-04  0:33   ` [PATCH] ACPI / EC: Remove race between EC driver and suspend process (rev. 3) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-04  0:33   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-03  0:32 ` [PATCH] ACPI / EC: Remove race between EC driver and suspend process (rev. 2) (was: Re: [RFC][RFT][PATCH] ACPI: Protection from suspending in the middle of EC transaction) Rafael J. Wysocki
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2010-01-30 23:29 [RFC][RFT][PATCH] ACPI: Protection from suspending in the middle of EC transaction Rafael J. Wysocki

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