From: Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net,
mingo@elte.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/28] kdb: core for kgdb back end (2 of 2)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:04:36 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B7D5704.6060504@windriver.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1zl37xhmm.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com> writes:
>
>
>> This patch contains the hooks and instrumentation into kernel which
>> live outside the kernel/debug directory, which the kdb core
>> will call to run commands like lsmod, dmesg, bt etc...
>>
>
> You know this dropping the locks from vmalloc_info and swap_info
> is down right ugly, and I don't believe it is safe. That code
> was not designed to run while the write_lock is held.
>
Perhaps we can find some middle ground. I don't mind simply not
allowing the information to be queried from kdb if the locks are not
available.
Which is less ugly you, making the swap_lock global or adding a function
to query it?
> How does kdb build if NOMMU is set?
>
I did not see a kernel config option called NOMMU.
Can you point me to a kernel config that uses this? Or is it the case
that it is something like "# CONFIG_MMU is not set"?
Perhaps we just set kdb to work only when CONFIG_MMU is enabled? It is
hard to say it works or not without a kernel configuration, file system
and hardware to test it with.
> Similarly with si_swapinfo. What makes it safe to run the
> code without it's locks. Safe as in no null pointer deferences
> or other nasties.
>
>
It looks to me like the original kdb took the approach of calling the
setjmp() longjmp() and if there was any kind of fault, it long jumped
back to the original context. Obviously that doesn't solve any kind of
problem with a list loop.
As I mentioned earlier, I think we should check for the lock and if it
isn't available you don't get to execute the function, else a separate
function has to be written that does the same thing safely. I do not
see any value in making a separate function to safely print the
information at this time. If you want to probe around, consider using a
gdb macro.
> I am not impressed with the mess you make of meminfo_proc_show.
> That looks like a maintenance hazard if I ever saw one. An innocent
> change to get some additional info (that happens to take a lock)
> will cause kdb to deadlock.
>
>
This code goes away if we expose a way to check for the lock.
Jason.
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From: Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net, mingo@elte.hu,
mort@sgi.com, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/28] kdb: core for kgdb back end (2 of 2)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:04:36 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B7D5704.6060504@windriver.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20100218150436.1oNtIZiB53inDkQyxjaEAn44p13dbAWURyqO0jKxi1A@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1zl37xhmm.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Jason Wessel <jason.wessel@windriver.com> writes:
>
>
>> This patch contains the hooks and instrumentation into kernel which
>> live outside the kernel/debug directory, which the kdb core
>> will call to run commands like lsmod, dmesg, bt etc...
>>
>
> You know this dropping the locks from vmalloc_info and swap_info
> is down right ugly, and I don't believe it is safe. That code
> was not designed to run while the write_lock is held.
>
Perhaps we can find some middle ground. I don't mind simply not
allowing the information to be queried from kdb if the locks are not
available.
Which is less ugly you, making the swap_lock global or adding a function
to query it?
> How does kdb build if NOMMU is set?
>
I did not see a kernel config option called NOMMU.
Can you point me to a kernel config that uses this? Or is it the case
that it is something like "# CONFIG_MMU is not set"?
Perhaps we just set kdb to work only when CONFIG_MMU is enabled? It is
hard to say it works or not without a kernel configuration, file system
and hardware to test it with.
> Similarly with si_swapinfo. What makes it safe to run the
> code without it's locks. Safe as in no null pointer deferences
> or other nasties.
>
>
It looks to me like the original kdb took the approach of calling the
setjmp() longjmp() and if there was any kind of fault, it long jumped
back to the original context. Obviously that doesn't solve any kind of
problem with a list loop.
As I mentioned earlier, I think we should check for the lock and if it
isn't available you don't get to execute the function, else a separate
function has to be written that does the same thing safely. I do not
see any value in making a separate function to safely print the
information at this time. If you want to probe around, consider using a
gdb macro.
> I am not impressed with the mess you make of meminfo_proc_show.
> That looks like a maintenance hazard if I ever saw one. An innocent
> change to get some additional info (that happens to take a lock)
> will cause kdb to deadlock.
>
>
This code goes away if we expose a way to check for the lock.
Jason.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-18 15:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-12 22:35 [PATCH 0/28] kgdb, kdb proposed merge for 2.6.34 Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 01/28] Move kernel/kgdb.c to kernel/debug/debug_core.c Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 02/28] Separate the gdbstub from the debug core Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 03/28] kgdb: eliminate kgdb_wait(), all cpus enter the same way Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 04/28] kgdb,sparc: Add in kgdb_arch_set_pc for sparc Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 05/28] kgdb,sh: update superh kgdb exception handling Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 06/28] kgdb,blackfin: Add in kgdb_arch_set_pc for blackfin Jason Wessel
2010-02-13 0:02 ` Mike Frysinger
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 07/28] kdb: core for kgdb back end (1 of 2) Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 08/28] kdb: core for kgdb back end (2 " Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-18 5:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-18 15:04 ` Jason Wessel [this message]
2010-02-18 15:04 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-18 16:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-18 16:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-18 17:06 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-18 19:08 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-18 19:08 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-18 18:07 ` Scott Lurndal
2010-02-18 18:36 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-18 18:36 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 09/28] kgdb: core changes to support kdb Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 10/28] kgdb, 8250, pl011: Return immediately from console poll Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 10/28] kgdb,8250,pl011: " Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 11/28] sh,sh-sci: Use NO_POLL_CHAR in the SCIF polled console code Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 12/28] sparc,sunzilog: Add console polling support for sunzilog serial driver Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 13/28] kgdb: gdb "monitor" -> kdb passthrough Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 14/28] kgdboc,keyboard: Keyboard driver for kdb with kgdb Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 15/28] kgdb,docs: Update the kgdb docs to include kdb Jason Wessel
2010-02-13 19:42 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-02-17 18:58 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-13 20:04 ` [Kgdb-bugreport] [PATCH 15/28] kgdb, docs: " Randy Dunlap
2010-02-17 21:00 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-17 22:03 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 16/28] kgdb: remove post_primary_code references Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 17/28] x86,kgdb: Add low level debug hook Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 18/28] powerpc,kgdb: Introduce low level trap catching Jason Wessel
2010-02-14 23:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-02-16 19:33 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-16 22:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-02-17 17:53 ` [Kgdb-bugreport] " Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 19/28] mips,kgdb: kdb low level trap catch and stack trace Jason Wessel
2010-02-25 14:01 ` Ralf Baechle
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 20/28] kgdb: Add the ability to schedule a breakpoint via a tasklet Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 21/28] kgdboc,kdb: Allow kdb to work on a non open console port Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 22/28] printk,kdb: capture printk() when in kdb shell Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:54 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-12 23:20 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-13 4:39 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-16 3:12 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 23/28] keyboard, input: Add hook to input to allow low level event clear Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 24/28] debug_core,kdb: Allow the debug core to process a recursive debug entry Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 25/28] MAINTAINERS: update kgdb, kdb, and debug_core info Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 26/28] kdb,panic,debug_core: Allow the debug core to receive a panic before smp_send_stop() Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 23:00 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-12 23:43 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-13 4:41 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-18 4:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-18 21:39 ` Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 27/28] kgdbts,sh: Add in breakpoint pc offset for superh Jason Wessel
2010-02-12 22:35 ` [PATCH 28/28] debug_core: Turn off tracing while in the debugger Jason Wessel
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-02-25 21:21 [GIT PULL] kdb / kms / early debug (1 of 2) Jason Wessel
2010-02-25 21:21 ` [PATCH 08/28] kdb: core for kgdb back end (2 " Jason Wessel
2010-02-25 21:21 ` Jason Wessel
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