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From: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
Cc: Joerg Roedel <joerg.roedel@amd.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Nested SVM and migration
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:39:57 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B82B35D.6010206@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100221121008.GI20833@8bytes.org>

On 02/21/2010 02:10 AM, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 01:26:49PM -1000, Zachary Amsden wrote:
>    
>> The infrastructure is already there to import / export and migrate MSR
>> settings.  MSRs are also 64-bit, and hold "model-specific" settings, so
>> if you don't mind thinking of the nested feature as a model-specific
>> feature of the KVM-SVM CPU, it's even somewhat well defined in terms of
>> the architecture.
>>      
> There is a lot of additional state to migrate if the vcpu is running
> nested. To be architecturally correct you need to transfer 6kb of data
> through MSRs only for the msr permission bitmap. The rest comes down to
> the nested intercept masks and some small bits like the global interrupt
> flag and the nested vmcb address. It is doable but I still think its
> complicated to get this right. The simplest approach would be to
> disallow migration when the vcpu is running in guest mode.
>    

How is this a lot?  The guest may have multiple gigabytes of memory and 
potentially terabytes of storage.  An additional 4-8k of control state 
is not a lot.

>    
>> Mostly the problem is figuring out what chunk of MSR space to use.
>>      
> And hoping that this MSR space is not used by real hardware in the
> future ;-)
>    

There are places in MSR space that can easily be set aside for this, in 
fact, I think already are being used by Hyper-V.

And further, even if it is used by real hardware, how does it matter?  
These MSRs are to be used by control software to import / export data to 
the virtual CPU.  When being accessed by hardware virtualization, they 
can be re-aliased to any meaning at all, so there is no collision.

Zach

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-02-22 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-20 19:14 Nested SVM and migration Zachary Amsden
2010-02-20 20:18 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-20 23:26   ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-21 12:10     ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-21 12:24       ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-21 12:41         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-21 12:54           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-21 13:09             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-21 13:14               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <4B8137E7.4030001@redhat.com>
     [not found]                   ` <20100221144352.GC26465@8bytes.org>
2010-02-22 16:54                     ` Zachary Amsden
     [not found]                     ` <4B814C41.7010105@redhat.com>
     [not found]                       ` <20100221155624.GD26465@8bytes.org>
2010-02-22 16:56                         ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-22 16:59                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-22 16:46               ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-22 17:07                 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-24 15:23               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-24 20:21                 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-22 16:42         ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-22 16:44           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-22 17:00             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-22 17:02               ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-22 17:07                 ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-22 17:11                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-22 17:24                     ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-22 16:39       ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2010-02-21  7:23   ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-21  7:46     ` Gleb Natapov
2010-02-21  8:12       ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-21 12:18     ` Joerg Roedel

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