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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [uq/master patch 2/5] kvm: add logging count to slots
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:51:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BD45709.9070705@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BD4547C.5060907@redhat.com>

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Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 04/25/2010 05:29 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>
>>> There isn't.  But I don't like hidden breakage.
>>>      
>> It's (so far) an unproblematic API property we can document. I don't
>> like changing APIs just for "there might be the case that...".
>>    
> 
> I guess it's one of those agree to disagree things.  I dislike known
> broken APIs even if their none of their users are affected.

The API is not broken. I intentionally designed it for the single user
as I saw no need for more. If I oversaw something, I would really like
to learn about these cases.

> 
>>>>    - the logging API is consistently converted, not just extended
>>>>      (IOW, migration_log is converted to logging_count)
>>>>
>>>>        
>>> migration_log needs to remain global, since we want hotplug memory to
>>> autostart logging.
>>>      
>> Can't follow yet, what will be the usage pattern of
>> kvm_set_migration_log? Or would the hotplug code require a separate
>> interface? Is it already the multi-client use case I'm looking for?
>>    
> 
> kvm_set_migration_log() means, start logging now for all current and
> future memory, until disabled.

Hmm, you mean plugging memory during ongoing migration is valid and can
be handled? I'm a bit skeptical. What makes this different from, say,
PCI hotplugging which should be a no-go during migration as well?

> 
> It could be implemented in terms of kvm_log_start() (which would provide
> a multi-client use case), but it isn't now.
> 
> I guess it is a logical example of how two clients can exist, even
> though they don't step on each others toes in practice since their
> enable flags are kept separate by the implementation.
> 

Jan


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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [uq/master patch 2/5] kvm: add logging count to slots
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:51:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BD45709.9070705@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BD4547C.5060907@redhat.com>

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Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 04/25/2010 05:29 PM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>
>>> There isn't.  But I don't like hidden breakage.
>>>      
>> It's (so far) an unproblematic API property we can document. I don't
>> like changing APIs just for "there might be the case that...".
>>    
> 
> I guess it's one of those agree to disagree things.  I dislike known
> broken APIs even if their none of their users are affected.

The API is not broken. I intentionally designed it for the single user
as I saw no need for more. If I oversaw something, I would really like
to learn about these cases.

> 
>>>>    - the logging API is consistently converted, not just extended
>>>>      (IOW, migration_log is converted to logging_count)
>>>>
>>>>        
>>> migration_log needs to remain global, since we want hotplug memory to
>>> autostart logging.
>>>      
>> Can't follow yet, what will be the usage pattern of
>> kvm_set_migration_log? Or would the hotplug code require a separate
>> interface? Is it already the multi-client use case I'm looking for?
>>    
> 
> kvm_set_migration_log() means, start logging now for all current and
> future memory, until disabled.

Hmm, you mean plugging memory during ongoing migration is valid and can
be handled? I'm a bit skeptical. What makes this different from, say,
PCI hotplugging which should be a no-go during migration as well?

> 
> It could be implemented in terms of kvm_log_start() (which would provide
> a multi-client use case), but it isn't now.
> 
> I guess it is a logical example of how two clients can exist, even
> though they don't step on each others toes in practice since their
> enable flags are kept separate by the implementation.
> 

Jan


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-25 14:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-23 17:04 [uq/master patch 0/5] prepare for qemu-kvm's usage of upstream memslot code Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04 ` [uq/master patch 1/5] vga: fix typo in length passed to kvm_log_stop Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04 ` [uq/master patch 2/5] kvm: add logging count to slots Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-24  7:34   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-04-24  7:34     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-04-25 12:33     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 12:33       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 13:57       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-04-25 13:57         ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-04-25 14:17         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 14:17           ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 14:29           ` Jan Kiszka
2010-04-25 14:29             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-04-25 14:41             ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 14:41               ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 14:51               ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2010-04-25 14:51                 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-04-25 14:58                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 14:58                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 15:07                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-04-25 15:07                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-04-25 15:22                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 15:22                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 16:42                       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-04-25 16:42                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-04-26  5:37                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-04-26  5:37                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-04-26 13:47           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-26 13:47             ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04 ` [uq/master patch 3/5] introduce leul_to_cpu Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04 ` [uq/master patch 4/5] kvm: port qemu-kvm's bitmap scanning Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04 ` [uq/master patch 5/5] introduce qemu_ram_map Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-23 17:04   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2010-04-25 12:33 ` [uq/master patch 0/5] prepare for qemu-kvm's usage of upstream memslot code Avi Kivity
2010-04-25 12:33   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity

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