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From: Kiyoshi Ueda <k-ueda@ct.jp.nec.com>
To: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
Cc: dm-devel@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Jun'ichi Nomura <j-nomura@ce.jp.nec.com>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Nikanth Karthikesan <knikanth@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] dm: only initialize full request_queue for request-based device
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:23:59 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BEA659F.9050206@ct.jp.nec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100511131502.GA25211@redhat.com>

Hi Mike,

On 05/11/2010 10:15 PM +0900, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> On Tue, May 11 2010 at 12:23am -0400,
> Kiyoshi Ueda <k-ueda@ct.jp.nec.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> On 05/11/2010 07:55 AM +0900, Mike Snitzer wrote:
>>> Revert back to only allocating a minimalist request_queue structure
>>> initially (needed for both bio and request-based DM).  Initialization of
>>> a full request_queue (request_fn, elevator, etc) is deferred until it is
>>> known that the DM device is request-based.
>>
>> Thank you for working on this.
>> However, I still disagree with this patch as we discussed on this thread:
>> http://marc.info/?t=124990138700003&r=1&w=2
>> (Exporting a part of queue's features may cause some maintenance costs
>>  in future.)
> 
> Thanks for the reference.  I completely forgot about that thread (even
> though I responded to Nikanth's patches in detail! :)
> 
> It is clear we need to resolve the current full request_queue
> initialization that occurs even for bio-based DM devices.
> 
> I believe the 2 patches I posted accomplish this in a stright-forward
> way.  We can always improve on it (by looking at what you proposed
> below) but we need a minimlaist fix that doesn't depend on userspace
> LVM2 changes right now.

Humm, OK.
Indeed, showing iosched directory in bio-based device's sysfs is
confusing users actually, and we need something to resolve that soon.
So I don't strongly object to your approach as the first step, as long
as we can accept the risk of the maintenance cost which I mentioned.

By the way, your current patch has a problem below.
It needs to be fixed at least.


> Similarly, my proposed DM changes are also quite natural. By using
> dm_table_set_type() as the hook to initialize the request-based DM
> device's elevator we perform allocations during table load.

Your patch initializes queue everytime request-based table is loaded.
I think that could cause a problem (although I haven't tested your
patch yet).


Also, as you know, the table load can be canceled.
So initializing queue at table loading time may cause some weird
behaviors for users.  For example,
    # dmsetup create --notable bio-based
    # echo "0 100 multipath ..." | dmsetup load bio-based
    # echo "0 100 linear ..."    | dmsetup load bio-based
    # dmsetup resume bio-based
    # ls /sys/block/dm-0/queue/
    ... iosched ...
If you (and Alasdair) think this behavior is acceptable, it might
be OK.  I just feel it's weird though...


> Having just looked at Nikanth's proposed DM patch 2/2 again it shows
> that blk_init_allocated_queue(), which allocates memory, was being
> called during resume (dm_swap_table).  Allocations are not allowed
> during resume.

Right, in general.
However, in this special case, I think initializing queue (allocating
memory) during resume should be OK as I mentioned like below in:
    http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=124999806420663&w=2

    > Generally, dm must not allocate memory during resume because
    > it may cause a deadlock in no memory situation.
    > However, there is no I/O on this device at this point,
    > so the allocation should be ok for this special case.
    > I think some comments are needed here to describe that.

So you should be able to take this approach.

Thanks,
Kiyoshi Ueda

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-12  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-10 22:55 [RFC PATCH 1/2] block: allow initialization of previously allocated request_queue Mike Snitzer
2010-05-10 22:55 ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-10 22:55 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] dm: only initialize full request_queue for request-based device Mike Snitzer
2010-05-10 22:55   ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-11  4:23   ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-05-11 13:15     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-12  8:23       ` Kiyoshi Ueda [this message]
2010-05-13  3:57         ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-14  8:06           ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-05-14 14:08             ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-17  9:27               ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-05-17 17:27                 ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-18  8:32                   ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-05-18 13:46                     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-18 13:46                       ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-19  5:57                       ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-05-19 12:01                         ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-19 12:01                           ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-19 14:39                           ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-19 14:45                             ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-20 11:21                             ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-05-20 17:07                               ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-21  8:32                                 ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-05-21 13:34                                   ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-24  9:58                                     ` Kiyoshi Ueda
2010-05-19 21:51                           ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-13  4:31   ` [PATCH 2/2 v2] " Mike Snitzer
2010-05-13  5:02     ` [RFC PATCH 3/2] dm: bio-based device must not register elevator in sysfs Mike Snitzer
2010-05-13 22:14       ` [PATCH 3/2 v2] " Mike Snitzer
2010-05-11  6:55 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] block: allow initialization of previously allocated request_queue Jens Axboe
2010-05-11 13:18   ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-11 13:21     ` Jens Axboe

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