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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	Julian Pidancet <julian.pidancet@citrix.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add QEMU DirectFB display driver
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:46:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BF1C736.5030309@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BAFD7671-C713-4628-856D-68BC33453CC7@suse.de>

On 05/17/2010 05:26 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
> I'm trying to think of a project where the clean separation between multiple video outputs implemented in the backend and a separate frontend worked out. So far the only case that has a strikingly similar architecture coming to my mind is mplayer. And I wouldn't call mplayer's GUI story a huge success.
>
> In fact, couldn't we rather keep all graphic output out of qemu and just expose VNC, possibly with self-made additions to the protocol to speed up local rendering (thinking an SHM extension here)?

I think the whole reason this has failed is that if the GUI is a 
separate project, the path of least resistance is to use existing 
interfaces instead of inventing new ones.  That means these GUIs tend to 
be restricted by whatever management interface exists which isn't 
actually good enough.

You really need to have the GUI as part of the main project such that 
when it needs a new interface, it can be added very easily.

>   Then we could still offer a separate SDL based viewer that could do the same things it does now. But we'd also open up the gate for a whole new integration level with possible GUIs.
>    

You could, but I think it introduces more complexity which just is going 
to get in the way of building a good GUI.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Alex
>
>    

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-17 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-13 15:53 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add QEMU DirectFB display driver Julian Pidancet
2010-05-16  1:10 ` Paul Brook
2010-05-16  1:14   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-17 13:30   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17 15:09     ` Julian Pidancet
2010-05-17 16:28       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17 20:20   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-17 20:32     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17 21:35       ` malc
2010-05-17 21:43         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17 21:45           ` malc
2010-05-17 22:26             ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-17 22:42               ` malc
2010-05-17 22:47                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17 22:55                   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-17 23:17                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17 22:46               ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-05-17 22:49                 ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-17 22:54                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17 22:59                     ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-18  0:26                 ` [Qemu-devel] qemu usage K D
2010-05-18  8:09           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add QEMU DirectFB display driver Kevin Wolf
2010-05-18  9:12             ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-05-18  9:23               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-18  9:29                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-05-18  9:39                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-18 10:34                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-05-18 11:20                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-18 13:02             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-18 22:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-19 12:06   ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-05-19 13:38     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-19 13:52       ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-05-19 15:22         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-19 15:30           ` Stefano Stabellini
2010-05-19 16:06         ` Julian Pidancet
2010-05-19 16:30           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-20  7:32             ` Gerd Hoffmann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-14 16:20 Julian Pidancet
2010-05-14 16:58 Julian Pidancet
2010-05-14 17:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17 10:58   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-17 10:53 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-17 12:04   ` Julian Pidancet
2010-05-17 19:25     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-17 11:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-17 12:14   ` Julian Pidancet
2010-05-17 12:35     ` Christoph Hellwig

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