From: Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: andreas.dilger@oracle.com, Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
chris.mason@oracle.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
mfasheh@suse.com, joel.becker@oracle.com, matthew@wil.cx,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org,
JBeulich@novell.com, kurt.hackel@oracle.com, npiggin@suse.de,
dave.mccracken@oracle.com, riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 0/7] Cleancache (was Transcendent Memory): overview
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:06:49 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C08C931.3080306@vflare.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6e97a82a-c754-493e-bbf5-58f0bb6a18b5@default>
On 06/03/2010 09:13 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>> On 06/03/2010 10:23 AM, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>>> On 2010-06-02, at 20:46, Nitin Gupta wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking it would be quite clever to do compression in, say,
>>> 64kB or 128kB chunks in a mapping (to get decent compression) and
>>> then write these compressed chunks directly from the page cache
>>> to disk in btrfs and/or a revived compressed ext4.
>>
>> Batching of pages to get good compression ratio seems doable.
>
> Is there evidence that batching a set of random individual 4K
> pages will have a significantly better compression ratio than
> compressing the pages separately? I certainly understand that
> if the pages are from the same file, compression is likely to
> be better, but pages evicted from the page cache (which is
> the source for all cleancache_puts) are likely to be quite a
> bit more random than that, aren't they?
>
Batching of pages from random files may not be so effective but
it would be interesting to collect some data for this. Still,
per-inode batching of pages seems doable and this should help
us get over this problem.
Thanks,
Nitin
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: andreas.dilger@oracle.com, Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
chris.mason@oracle.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
mfasheh@suse.com, joel.becker@oracle.com, matthew@wil.cx,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org,
JBeulich@novell.com, kurt.hackel@oracle.com, npiggin@suse.de,
dave.mccracken@oracle.com, riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH V2 0/7] Cleancache (was Transcendent Memory): overview
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 09:36:54 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C08C931.3080306@vflare.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6e97a82a-c754-493e-bbf5-58f0bb6a18b5@default>
On 06/03/2010 09:13 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>> On 06/03/2010 10:23 AM, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>>> On 2010-06-02, at 20:46, Nitin Gupta wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking it would be quite clever to do compression in, say,
>>> 64kB or 128kB chunks in a mapping (to get decent compression) and
>>> then write these compressed chunks directly from the page cache
>>> to disk in btrfs and/or a revived compressed ext4.
>>
>> Batching of pages to get good compression ratio seems doable.
>
> Is there evidence that batching a set of random individual 4K
> pages will have a significantly better compression ratio than
> compressing the pages separately? I certainly understand that
> if the pages are from the same file, compression is likely to
> be better, but pages evicted from the page cache (which is
> the source for all cleancache_puts) are likely to be quite a
> bit more random than that, aren't they?
>
Batching of pages from random files may not be so effective but
it would be interesting to collect some data for this. Still,
per-inode batching of pages seems doable and this should help
us get over this problem.
Thanks,
Nitin
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: andreas.dilger@oracle.com, Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
chris.mason@oracle.com, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
mfasheh@suse.com, joel.becker@oracle.com, matthew@wil.cx,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org,
JBeulich@novell.com, kurt.hackel@oracle.com, npiggin@suse.de,
dave.mccracken@oracle.com, riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 0/7] Cleancache (was Transcendent Memory): overview
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:06:49 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C08C931.3080306@vflare.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6e97a82a-c754-493e-bbf5-58f0bb6a18b5@default>
On 06/03/2010 09:13 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>> On 06/03/2010 10:23 AM, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>>> On 2010-06-02, at 20:46, Nitin Gupta wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking it would be quite clever to do compression in, say,
>>> 64kB or 128kB chunks in a mapping (to get decent compression) and
>>> then write these compressed chunks directly from the page cache
>>> to disk in btrfs and/or a revived compressed ext4.
>>
>> Batching of pages to get good compression ratio seems doable.
>
> Is there evidence that batching a set of random individual 4K
> pages will have a significantly better compression ratio than
> compressing the pages separately? I certainly understand that
> if the pages are from the same file, compression is likely to
> be better, but pages evicted from the page cache (which is
> the source for all cleancache_puts) are likely to be quite a
> bit more random than that, aren't they?
>
Batching of pages from random files may not be so effective but
it would be interesting to collect some data for this. Still,
per-inode batching of pages seems doable and this should help
us get over this problem.
Thanks,
Nitin
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Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-28 17:35 [PATCH V2 0/7] Cleancache (was Transcendent Memory): overview Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-28 17:36 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-28 17:35 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 6:03 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 6:03 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 6:03 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 6:03 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 15:27 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 15:28 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 15:27 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 15:27 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 16:38 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 16:39 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 16:38 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 16:38 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 16:38 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 23:02 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 23:04 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 23:02 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 23:02 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-03 2:46 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-06-03 2:46 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-06-03 2:46 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-06-03 4:53 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-06-03 4:55 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2010-06-03 4:53 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-06-03 4:53 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-06-03 6:25 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-06-03 6:25 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-06-03 6:25 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-06-03 15:43 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-03 15:43 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-03 15:43 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-03 15:43 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-04 9:36 ` Nitin Gupta [this message]
2010-06-04 9:36 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-06-04 9:36 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-06-04 13:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-04 13:45 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Minchan Kim
2010-06-04 13:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-06-02 13:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-02 13:00 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2010-06-02 13:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-02 15:35 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 15:36 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 15:35 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 15:35 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 13:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-02 13:24 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-02 13:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-02 16:07 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 16:07 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 16:07 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-02 16:07 ` Dan Magenheimer
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