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From: Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink.com>
To: Avery Pennarun <apenwarr@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jakub Narebski" <jnareb@gmail.com>,
	"Jens Lehmann" <Jens.Lehmann@web.de>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Bryan Larsen" <bryan.larsen@gmail.com>,
	git <git@vger.kernel.org>, "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Avery Pennarun's git-subtree?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:19:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C49B31F.8000102@xiplink.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimOb2VjYI21wQsC64lm4HsVPwpRWd1twIUBnbJ3@mail.gmail.com>

On 10-07-22 03:41 PM, Avery Pennarun wrote:
> 
> 1) Sometimes I want to clone only some subdirs of a project
> 2) Sometimes I don't want the entire history because it's too big.
> 3) Super huge git repositories start to degrade in performance.

The reason we turned to submodules is precisely to deal with repository size.
 Our code base encompasses the entire FreeBSD tree plus different versions of
the Linux kernel, along with various third-party libraries & apps.  You don't
need everything to build a given product (a FreeBSD product doesn't use any
Linux kernels, for example) but because all the products share common code we
need to be able to branch and tag the common code along with the uncommon code.

So a straight "git clone" that would need to fetch all of FreeBSD plus 4
different Linux kernels and check all that out is a major problem, especially
for our automated build system (which could definitely be implemented better,
but still).  In truth it's the checkout that takes the most time by far,
though commands like git-status also take inconveniently long.

We chose git-submodule over git-subtree mainly because git-submodule lets us
selectively checkout different parts of our code.  (AFAIK sparse checkouts
aren't yet an option.)  We didn't really consider git-subtree because it's
not an official part of git, and we didn't want to have to teach (and nag)
all our developers to install and maintain it in addition to keeping up with
git itself.  Besides, git-submodule's collection-of-independent-repos model
works fairly well in our situation, though the implementation could
definitely be improved (and Jens's list is a really good start).

Neither submodule nor subtree really solves our situation, but right now
git-submodule is the only thing "official" git offers to manage
loosely-coupled code.  It would be nice to see git-submodule added to the
toolkit, but it would be even nicer if git had better ways to deal with
"vast" repositories.

Another tool folks should keep in mind in this discussion is 'repo' which
Google built for the Android project.  Android's code base is also too vast
to work well in a single git repository, and I don't think subtrees or
submodules would be a good match for them either.

		M.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-07-23 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-21 17:15 Avery Pennarun's git-subtree? Bryan Larsen
2010-07-21 19:43 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2010-07-21 19:56   ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-21 20:36     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2010-07-21 21:09       ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-21 21:20         ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-21 22:46         ` Jens Lehmann
2010-07-22  1:09           ` Avery Pennarun
     [not found]             ` <m31vavn8la.fsf@localhost.localdomain>
2010-07-22 18:23               ` Bryan Larsen
2010-07-24 22:36                 ` Jakub Narebski
2010-07-22 19:41               ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-22 19:56                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2010-07-22 20:06                   ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-22 20:17                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2010-07-22 21:33                     ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-23 15:10                       ` Jens Lehmann
2010-07-26 17:34                       ` Eugene Sajine
2010-07-22 20:43                   ` Elijah Newren
2010-07-22 21:32                     ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-23  8:31                 ` Chris Webb
2010-07-23  8:40                   ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-23 15:11                     ` Jens Lehmann
2010-07-23 22:33                       ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-23 15:13                     ` Jens Lehmann
2010-07-23 15:10                 ` Jens Lehmann
2010-07-23 16:05                   ` Bryan Larsen
2010-07-23 17:11                     ` Jens Lehmann
2010-07-23 19:01                       ` Bryan Larsen
2010-07-23 22:32                   ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-25 19:57                     ` Jens Lehmann
2010-07-27 18:40                       ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-27 21:14                         ` Jens Lehmann
2010-07-23 15:19                 ` Marc Branchaud [this message]
2010-07-23 22:50                   ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-24  0:58                     ` skillzero
2010-07-24  1:20                       ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-24 19:40                         ` skillzero
2010-07-25  1:47                           ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2010-07-28 22:27                             ` Jakub Narebski
2010-07-26 13:13                           ` Jakub Narebski
2010-07-26 16:37                         ` Marc Branchaud
2010-07-26 16:41                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-26 17:36                             ` Bryan Larsen
2010-07-26 17:48                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-27 18:28                             ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-27 20:25                               ` Junio C Hamano
2010-07-27 20:57                                 ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-27 21:14                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2010-07-27 21:32                                   ` Jens Lehmann
2010-07-26  8:56                       ` Jakub Narebski
2010-07-27 18:36                         ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-28 13:36                           ` Marc Branchaud
2010-07-28 18:32                           ` Jakub Narebski
2010-07-24 20:07                     ` Sverre Rabbelier
2010-07-26  8:51                     ` Jakub Narebski
2010-07-27 19:15                       ` Avery Pennarun
2010-07-26 15:15                     ` Marc Branchaud
2010-07-21 23:46         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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