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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/3] disk: don't read from disk until the guest starts
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:13:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C8E319A.4090103@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C8E2A52.1000708@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

Am 13.09.2010 15:42, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> On 09/13/2010 08:39 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>> Yeah, one of the key design points of live migration is to minimize the
>>> number of failure scenarios where you lose a VM.  If someone typed the
>>> wrong command line or shared storage hasn't been mounted yet and we
>>> delay failure until live migration is in the critical path, that would
>>> be terribly unfortunate.
>>>      
>> We would catch most of them if we try to open the image when migration
>> starts and immediately close it again until migration is (almost)
>> completed, so that no other code can possibly use it before the source
>> has really closed it.
>>    
> 
> I think the only real advantage is that we fix NFS migration, right?

That's the one that we know about, yes.

The rest is not a specific scenario, but a strong feeling that having an
image opened twice at the same time feels dangerous. As soon as an
open/close sequence writes to the image for some format, we probably
have a bug. For example, what about this mounted flag that you were
discussing for QED?

> But if we do invalidate_cache() as you suggested with a close/open of 
> the qcow2 layer, and also acquire and release a lock in the file layer 
> by propagating the invalidate_cache(), that should work robustly with NFS.
> 
> I think that's a simpler change.  Do you see additional advantages to 
> delaying the open?

Just that it makes it very obvious if a device model is doing bad things
and accessing the image before it should. The difference is a failed
request vs. silently corrupted data.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-13 14:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-11 14:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Fix caching issues with live migration Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] block: allow migration to work with image files Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 10:37   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:06     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 13:28       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:26         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 16:06           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 17:10             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 17:51               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-15 16:00                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-09-15 15:57         ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-13  8:21   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:27     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-15 16:03     ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-16  7:54       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-15 15:53   ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-11 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] block-nbd: fix use of protocols in backing files and nbd probing Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 16:53   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-11 17:27     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 17:45       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-15 16:06   ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-09-16 15:40     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-17  8:53       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-16  8:08   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-16 13:00     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-16 14:08       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-11 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] disk: don't read from disk until the guest starts Anthony Liguori
2010-09-11 17:24   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-11 17:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 10:42   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 13:26       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 16:04           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-15 16:10       ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-09-13  8:32   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 13:39       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:42         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 14:13           ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2010-09-13 14:34             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-14  9:47               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-14 12:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-14 13:16                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-13 19:29             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-13 20:03               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 20:09                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-14  8:28                   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-15 16:16     ` Juan Quintela
2010-09-12 10:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Fix caching issues with live migration Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:12   ` Anthony Liguori

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