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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	"dlaor@redhat.com" <dlaor@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call minutes for Oct 19
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:02:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CC039DA.5090607@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CBFEF95.9060703@redhat.com>

On 10/21/2010 02:45 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 10/21/2010 03:14 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>> I agree that some agent code for basic stuff like live snapshot
>>> sync with the filesystem is small enough and worth to host within
>>> qemu. Maybe we do need more than one project?
>>
>> No, please. That's exactly what I don't want to see. The
>> libvirt/qemu/virt-man split is killing us already. How is this going
>> to become with 20 driver packs for the guest?
>
> Agreed.  Not relying on Mata Hari and reinventing a dbus/WMI interface 
> would be yet another case of QEMU NIH.

I think we're about 10 steps ahead of where we should be right now.

The first step is just identifying what interfaces we need in a guest 
agent.  So far, I think we can get away with a very small number of 
interfaces (mainly read/write files, execute command).

>   The same argument also works on the backend BTW, it can be virtio 
> serial but also a Xen pvconsole and that wheel should not be 
> reinvented either.
>
> The guest agent should be a pluggable architecture, and QEMU can 
> provide plugins for sync, spice, "info balloon" and everything else it 
> needs.

virtio-serial is essentially our plugin interface.  The core QEMU agent 
would use org.qemu.guest-agent and a spice against could use 
org.spice-space.guest-agent.

The QEMU agent should have an interface that terminates in QEMU itself.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Paolo


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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@redhat.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dlaor@redhat.com" <dlaor@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call minutes for Oct 19
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:02:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CC039DA.5090607@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CBFEF95.9060703@redhat.com>

On 10/21/2010 02:45 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 10/21/2010 03:14 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>> I agree that some agent code for basic stuff like live snapshot
>>> sync with the filesystem is small enough and worth to host within
>>> qemu. Maybe we do need more than one project?
>>
>> No, please. That's exactly what I don't want to see. The
>> libvirt/qemu/virt-man split is killing us already. How is this going
>> to become with 20 driver packs for the guest?
>
> Agreed.  Not relying on Mata Hari and reinventing a dbus/WMI interface 
> would be yet another case of QEMU NIH.

I think we're about 10 steps ahead of where we should be right now.

The first step is just identifying what interfaces we need in a guest 
agent.  So far, I think we can get away with a very small number of 
interfaces (mainly read/write files, execute command).

>   The same argument also works on the backend BTW, it can be virtio 
> serial but also a Xen pvconsole and that wheel should not be 
> reinvented either.
>
> The guest agent should be a pluggable architecture, and QEMU can 
> provide plugins for sync, spice, "info balloon" and everything else it 
> needs.

virtio-serial is essentially our plugin interface.  The core QEMU agent 
would use org.qemu.guest-agent and a spice against could use 
org.spice-space.guest-agent.

The QEMU agent should have an interface that terminates in QEMU itself.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-21 13:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-19 15:14 KVM call minutes for Oct 19 Chris Wright
2010-10-19 15:14 ` [Qemu-devel] " Chris Wright
2010-10-20  8:21 ` Alexander Graf
2010-10-20  8:21   ` Alexander Graf
2010-10-20  8:25   ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-10-20  8:25     ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-10-20  8:30     ` Alexander Graf
2010-10-20  8:30       ` Alexander Graf
2010-10-20 10:47   ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-20 10:47     ` Avi Kivity
2010-10-20 12:16   ` Dor Laor
2010-10-20 12:16     ` Dor Laor
2010-10-21 10:22     ` Andrew Beekhof
2010-10-21 10:22       ` Andrew Beekhof
2010-10-21 10:26       ` Dor Laor
2010-10-21 10:26         ` Dor Laor
2010-10-21 13:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-21 13:09         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-21 13:18         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-10-21 13:18           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-10-21 13:32           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-21 13:32             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-21 15:43             ` Andrew Beekhof
2010-10-21 15:43               ` Andrew Beekhof
2010-10-21 16:25               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-21 16:25                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-21 16:37                 ` Chris Wright
2010-10-21 16:37                   ` Chris Wright
2010-10-21 19:47                 ` Andrew Beekhof
2010-10-20 13:02   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-20 13:02     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-20 13:19     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-10-20 13:19       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-10-20 13:21       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-20 13:21         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-20 22:46         ` Dor Laor
2010-10-20 22:46           ` Dor Laor
2010-10-21  1:14           ` Alexander Graf
2010-10-21  1:14             ` Alexander Graf
2010-10-21  7:45             ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-10-21  7:45               ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-10-21 13:02               ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-10-21 13:02                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-21 13:05                 ` Dor Laor
2010-10-21 13:05                   ` Dor Laor
2010-10-22 17:29                 ` Chris Wright
2010-10-22 17:29                   ` Chris Wright
2010-10-22 17:39                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-22 17:39                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-22 18:20                     ` Chris Wright
2010-10-22 18:20                       ` Chris Wright
2010-10-22 18:53                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-22 18:53                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-23  0:06                         ` Chris Wright
2010-10-23  0:06                           ` Chris Wright

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