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From: Joe Landman <joe.landman@gmail.com>
To: Ed W <lists@wildgooses.com>
Cc: Matt Garman <matthew.garman@gmail.com>,
	Mdadm <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: high throughput storage server?
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:46:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D6BC33E.7070703@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D6AC288.20101@wildgooses.com>

On 02/27/2011 04:30 PM, Ed W wrote:

[...]

> It would appear that you can use a much lower powered system to
> basically push jobs out to the processing machines in advance, this way
> your bandwidth basically only needs to be:
> size_of_job * num_machines / time_to_process_jobs

This would be good.  Matt's original argument suggested he needed this 
as his sustained bandwidth given the way the analysis proceeded.

If we assume that the processing time is T_p, and the communication time 
is T_c, ignoring other factors, the total time for 1 job is T_j = T_p + 
T_c.  If T_c << T_p, then you can effectively ignore bandwidth related 
issues (and use a much smaller bandwidth system).  For T_c << T_p, lets 
(for laughs) say T_c = 0.1 x T_p (e.g. communication time is 1/10th the 
processing time).  Then even if you halved your bandwidth, and doubled 
T_c, you are making only an about 10% increase in your total execution 
time for a job.

With Nmachines each with Ncores, you have Nmachines x Ncores jobs going 
on all at once. If T_c << T_p (as in the above example), then most of 
the time, on average, the machines will not be communicating.  In fact, 
if we do a very rough first pass approximation to an answer (there are 
more accurate statistical models) for this, one would expect the network 
to be used T_c/T_p fraction of the time by each process.  Then the total 
consumption of data for a run (assuming all runs are *approximately* of 
equal duration)

	D = B x T_c

D being the amount of data in MB or GB, and B being the bandwidth 
expressed in MB/s or GB/s.  Your effective bandwidth per run, Beff will be

	D = Beff x T = Beff x (T_c + T_p)

For Nmachines x Ncores jobs, Dtotal is the total data transfered

	Dtotal	= Nmachines x Ncores * D = Nmachines x Ncores x Beff
   		x (T_c + T_p)


You know Dtotal (aggregate data needed for run).  You know Nmachines and 
Ncores.  You know T_c and T_p (approximately).  From this, solve for 
Beff.  Thats what you have to sustain (approximately).

> So if the time to process jobs is significant then you have quite some
> time to push out the next job to local storage ready?
>
> Firstly is this architecture workable? If so then you have some new
> performance parameters to target for the storage architecture?
>
> Good luck
>
> Ed W

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-28 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-14 23:59 high throughput storage server? Matt Garman
2011-02-15  2:06 ` Doug Dumitru
2011-02-15  4:44   ` Matt Garman
2011-02-15  5:49     ` hansbkk
2011-02-15  9:43     ` David Brown
2011-02-24 20:28       ` Matt Garman
2011-02-24 20:43         ` David Brown
2011-02-15 15:16     ` Joe Landman
2011-02-15 20:37       ` NeilBrown
2011-02-15 20:47         ` Joe Landman
2011-02-15 21:41           ` NeilBrown
2011-02-24 20:58       ` Matt Garman
2011-02-24 21:20         ` Joe Landman
2011-02-26 23:54           ` high throughput storage server? GPFS w/ 10GB/s throughput to the rescue Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-27  0:56             ` Joe Landman
2011-02-27 14:55               ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-12 22:49                 ` Matt Garman
2011-02-27 21:30     ` high throughput storage server? Ed W
2011-02-28 15:46       ` Joe Landman [this message]
2011-02-28 23:14         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-28 22:22       ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-02  3:44       ` Matt Garman
2011-03-02  4:20         ` Joe Landman
2011-03-02  7:10           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-02 19:03             ` Drew
2011-03-02 19:20               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-13 20:10                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-14 12:27                   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-14 12:47                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-18 13:16                       ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-18 14:05                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-18 15:43                           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-18 16:21                             ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-18 22:01                             ` NeilBrown
2011-03-18 22:23                               ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-20  1:34                               ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-20  3:41                                 ` NeilBrown
2011-03-20  5:32                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-20 23:22                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-21  0:52                                       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-21  2:44                                       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-03-21  3:13                                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-21  3:14                                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-21 17:07                                             ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-21 14:18                                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-21 17:08                                           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-21 22:13                                           ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-03-22  9:46                                             ` Robin Hill
2011-03-22 10:14                                               ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-03-23  8:53                                                 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-23 15:57                                                   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-23 16:19                                                     ` Joe Landman
2011-03-24  8:05                                                       ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-24 13:12                                                         ` Joe Landman
2011-03-25  7:06                                                           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-24 17:07                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-03-24  5:52                                                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-24  6:33                                                       ` NeilBrown
2011-03-24  8:07                                                         ` Roberto Spadim
2011-03-24  8:31                                                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-22 10:00                                             ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-03-22 11:01                                               ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-15 12:29 ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-15 12:45   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-15 13:03     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-24 20:43       ` Matt Garman
2011-02-24 20:53         ` Zdenek Kaspar
2011-02-24 21:07           ` Joe Landman
2011-02-15 13:39   ` David Brown
2011-02-16 23:32     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-17  0:00       ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2011-02-17  0:19         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-17  2:23           ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-17  3:05             ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-17  0:26       ` David Brown
2011-02-17  0:45         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-17 10:39           ` David Brown
2011-02-24 20:49     ` Matt Garman
2011-02-15 13:48 ` Zdenek Kaspar
2011-02-15 14:29   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-15 14:51     ` A. Krijgsman
2011-02-15 16:44       ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-15 14:56     ` Zdenek Kaspar
2011-02-24 20:36       ` Matt Garman
2011-02-17 11:07 ` John Robinson
2011-02-17 13:36   ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-17 13:54     ` Roberto Spadim
2011-02-17 21:47   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-17 22:13     ` Joe Landman
2011-02-17 23:49       ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-18  0:06         ` Joe Landman
2011-02-18  3:48           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-18 13:49 ` Mattias Wadenstein
2011-02-18 23:16   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-21 10:25     ` Mattias Wadenstein
2011-02-21 21:51       ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-22  8:57         ` David Brown
2011-02-22  9:30           ` Mattias Wadenstein
2011-02-22  9:49             ` David Brown
2011-02-22 13:38           ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-22 14:18             ` David Brown
2011-02-23  5:52               ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-23 13:56                 ` David Brown
2011-02-23 14:25                   ` John Robinson
2011-02-23 15:15                     ` David Brown
2011-02-23 23:14                       ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-24 10:19                         ` David Brown
2011-02-23 21:59                     ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-23 23:43                       ` John Robinson
2011-02-24 15:53                         ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-23 21:11                   ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-24 11:24                     ` David Brown
2011-02-24 23:30                       ` Stan Hoeppner
2011-02-25  8:20                         ` David Brown
2011-02-19  0:24   ` Joe Landman
2011-02-21 10:04     ` Mattias Wadenstein

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