* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
@ 2011-03-28 22:52 ` Minchan Kim
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Minchan Kim @ 2011-03-28 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Chinner; +Cc: John Lepikhin, linux-kernel, xfs, linux-mm
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> [cc xfs and mm lists]
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 08:39:29PM +0400, John Lepikhin wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I use high-loaded machine with 10M+ inodes inside XFS, 50+ GB of
>> memory, intensive HDD traffic and 20..50 forks per second. Vanilla
>> kernel 2.6.37.4. The problem is that kernel frees memory very
>> aggressively.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> 25% of memory is used by processes
>> 50% for page caches
>> 7% for slabs, etc.
>> 18% free.
>>
>> That's bad but works. After few hours:
>>
>> 25% of memory is used by processes
>> 62% for page caches
>> 7% for slabs, etc.
>> 5% free.
>>
>> Most of files are cached, works perfectly. This is the moment when
>> kernel decides to free some memory. After memory reclaim:
>>
>> 25% of memory is used by processes
>> 25% for page caches(!)
>> 7% for slabs, etc.
>> 43% free(!)
>>
>> Page cache is dropped, server becomes too slow. This is the beginning
>> of new cycle.
>>
>> I didn't found any huge mallocs at that moment. Looks like because of
>> large number of small mallocs (forks) kernel have pessimistic forecast
>> about future memory usage and frees too much memory. Is there any
>> options of tuning this? Any other variants?
>
> First it would be useful to determine why the VM is reclaiming so
> much memory. If it is somewhat predictable when the excessive
> reclaim is going to happen, it might be worth capturing an event
> trace from the VM so we can see more precisely what it is doiing
> during this event. In that case, recording the kmem/* and vmscan/*
> events is probably sufficient to tell us what memory allocations
> triggered reclaim and how much reclaim was done on each event.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
> --
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com
>
Recently, We had a similar issue.
http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-mm/msg12243.html
But it seems to not merge. I don't know why since I didn't follow up the thread.
Maybe Cced guys can help you.
Is it a sudden big cache drop at the moment or accumulated small cache
drop for long time?
What's your zones' size?
Please attach the result of cat /proc/zoneinfo for others.
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* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
@ 2011-03-28 22:52 ` Minchan Kim
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: Minchan Kim @ 2011-03-28 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Chinner; +Cc: John Lepikhin, linux-kernel, xfs, linux-mm
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> [cc xfs and mm lists]
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 08:39:29PM +0400, John Lepikhin wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I use high-loaded machine with 10M+ inodes inside XFS, 50+ GB of
>> memory, intensive HDD traffic and 20..50 forks per second. Vanilla
>> kernel 2.6.37.4. The problem is that kernel frees memory very
>> aggressively.
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> 25% of memory is used by processes
>> 50% for page caches
>> 7% for slabs, etc.
>> 18% free.
>>
>> That's bad but works. After few hours:
>>
>> 25% of memory is used by processes
>> 62% for page caches
>> 7% for slabs, etc.
>> 5% free.
>>
>> Most of files are cached, works perfectly. This is the moment when
>> kernel decides to free some memory. After memory reclaim:
>>
>> 25% of memory is used by processes
>> 25% for page caches(!)
>> 7% for slabs, etc.
>> 43% free(!)
>>
>> Page cache is dropped, server becomes too slow. This is the beginning
>> of new cycle.
>>
>> I didn't found any huge mallocs at that moment. Looks like because of
>> large number of small mallocs (forks) kernel have pessimistic forecast
>> about future memory usage and frees too much memory. Is there any
>> options of tuning this? Any other variants?
>
> First it would be useful to determine why the VM is reclaiming so
> much memory. If it is somewhat predictable when the excessive
> reclaim is going to happen, it might be worth capturing an event
> trace from the VM so we can see more precisely what it is doiing
> during this event. In that case, recording the kmem/* and vmscan/*
> events is probably sufficient to tell us what memory allocations
> triggered reclaim and how much reclaim was done on each event.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
> --
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com
>
Recently, We had a similar issue.
http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-mm/msg12243.html
But it seems to not merge. I don't know why since I didn't follow up the thread.
Maybe Cced guys can help you.
Is it a sudden big cache drop at the moment or accumulated small cache
drop for long time?
What's your zones' size?
Please attach the result of cat /proc/zoneinfo for others.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
2011-03-28 22:52 ` Minchan Kim
(?)
@ 2011-03-29 2:55 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
-1 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: KOSAKI Motohiro @ 2011-03-29 2:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Minchan Kim; +Cc: linux-kernel, xfs, linux-mm, John Lepikhin, kosaki.motohiro
> Recently, We had a similar issue.
> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-mm/msg12243.html
> But it seems to not merge. I don't know why since I didn't follow up the thread.
> Maybe Cced guys can help you.
>
> Is it a sudden big cache drop at the moment or accumulated small cache
> drop for long time?
> What's your zones' size?
>
> Please attach the result of cat /proc/zoneinfo for others.
If my remember is correct, 2.6.38 is included Mel's anti agressive
reclaim patch. And original report seems to be using 2.6.37.x.
John, can you try 2.6.38?
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* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
@ 2011-03-29 2:55 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: KOSAKI Motohiro @ 2011-03-29 2:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Minchan Kim
Cc: kosaki.motohiro, Dave Chinner, John Lepikhin, linux-kernel, xfs,
linux-mm
> Recently, We had a similar issue.
> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-mm/msg12243.html
> But it seems to not merge. I don't know why since I didn't follow up the thread.
> Maybe Cced guys can help you.
>
> Is it a sudden big cache drop at the moment or accumulated small cache
> drop for long time?
> What's your zones' size?
>
> Please attach the result of cat /proc/zoneinfo for others.
If my remember is correct, 2.6.38 is included Mel's anti agressive
reclaim patch. And original report seems to be using 2.6.37.x.
John, can you try 2.6.38?
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* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
@ 2011-03-29 2:55 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: KOSAKI Motohiro @ 2011-03-29 2:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Minchan Kim
Cc: kosaki.motohiro, Dave Chinner, John Lepikhin, linux-kernel, xfs,
linux-mm
> Recently, We had a similar issue.
> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-mm/msg12243.html
> But it seems to not merge. I don't know why since I didn't follow up the thread.
> Maybe Cced guys can help you.
>
> Is it a sudden big cache drop at the moment or accumulated small cache
> drop for long time?
> What's your zones' size?
>
> Please attach the result of cat /proc/zoneinfo for others.
If my remember is correct, 2.6.38 is included Mel's anti agressive
reclaim patch. And original report seems to be using 2.6.37.x.
John, can you try 2.6.38?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
2011-03-29 2:55 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
(?)
@ 2011-03-29 7:33 ` John Lepikhin
-1 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: John Lepikhin @ 2011-03-29 7:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: KOSAKI Motohiro; +Cc: linux-mm, xfs, Minchan Kim, linux-kernel
2011/3/29 KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>:
> If my remember is correct, 2.6.38 is included Mel's anti agressive
> reclaim patch. And original report seems to be using 2.6.37.x.
>
> John, can you try 2.6.38?
I'll ask my boss about it. Unfortunately we found opposite issue with
memory management + XFS (100M of inodes) on 2.6.38: some objects in
xfs_inode and dentry slabs are seems to be never cleared (at least
without "sync && echo 2 >.../drop_caches"). But this is not a
production machine working 24x7, so we don't care about it right now.
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* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
@ 2011-03-29 7:33 ` John Lepikhin
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: John Lepikhin @ 2011-03-29 7:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: KOSAKI Motohiro; +Cc: Minchan Kim, Dave Chinner, linux-kernel, xfs, linux-mm
2011/3/29 KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>:
> If my remember is correct, 2.6.38 is included Mel's anti agressive
> reclaim patch. And original report seems to be using 2.6.37.x.
>
> John, can you try 2.6.38?
I'll ask my boss about it. Unfortunately we found opposite issue with
memory management + XFS (100M of inodes) on 2.6.38: some objects in
xfs_inode and dentry slabs are seems to be never cleared (at least
without "sync && echo 2 >.../drop_caches"). But this is not a
production machine working 24x7, so we don't care about it right now.
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* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
@ 2011-03-29 7:33 ` John Lepikhin
0 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: John Lepikhin @ 2011-03-29 7:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: KOSAKI Motohiro; +Cc: Minchan Kim, Dave Chinner, linux-kernel, xfs, linux-mm
2011/3/29 KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>:
> If my remember is correct, 2.6.38 is included Mel's anti agressive
> reclaim patch. And original report seems to be using 2.6.37.x.
>
> John, can you try 2.6.38?
I'll ask my boss about it. Unfortunately we found opposite issue with
memory management + XFS (100M of inodes) on 2.6.38: some objects in
xfs_inode and dentry slabs are seems to be never cleared (at least
without "sync && echo 2 >.../drop_caches"). But this is not a
production machine working 24x7, so we don't care about it right now.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread
* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
2011-03-28 22:52 ` Minchan Kim
@ 2011-03-29 7:22 ` John Lepikhin
-1 siblings, 0 replies; 30+ messages in thread
From: John Lepikhin @ 2011-03-29 7:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Minchan Kim; +Cc: linux-mm, linux-kernel, xfs
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 204 bytes --]
2011/3/29 Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>:
> Please attach the result of cat /proc/zoneinfo for others.
See attachment. Right now I have no zoneinfo for crisis time, but I
can catch it if required.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 30+ messages in thread* Re: Very aggressive memory reclaim
@ 2011-03-29 7:22 ` John Lepikhin
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From: John Lepikhin @ 2011-03-29 7:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Minchan Kim; +Cc: Dave Chinner, linux-kernel, xfs, linux-mm
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2011/3/29 Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>:
> Please attach the result of cat /proc/zoneinfo for others.
See attachment. Right now I have no zoneinfo for crisis time, but I
can catch it if required.
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