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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@polito.it>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, jmorris@namei.org, zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	safford@watson.ibm.com, kirkland@canonical.com,
	ecryptfs-devel@lists.launchpad.net, eparis@redhat.com,
	sds@tycho.nsa.gov, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] File descriptor labeling
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:57:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DB8AD76.3020405@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110427232718.GG30854@boyd.l.tihix.com>

On 4/27/2011 4:27 PM, Tyler Hicks wrote:
> On Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 01:19:55PM -0700, Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
>> On 4/27/2011 5:34 AM, Roberto Sassu wrote:
>>> File descriptor labeling issue
>>>
>>> Actually SELinux and SMACK assign to file descriptors the same label of the
>>> opening process and use it in LSM hooks security_file_permission(),
>>> security_file_fcntl() and others to verify if the 'current' process has the
>>> rights to perform the requested operation.
>>>
>>> Using the credentials of the 'current' process may be not appropriate in
>>> case a file descriptor is opened by a kernel service (i.e. a filesystem)
>>> and made shared among user processes. For instance, in a system with
>>> SELinux and eCryptfs, if the process A opens an encrypted file, eCryptfs
>>> obtains a file descriptor to access the correspondent inode in the lower
>>> filesystem, labeled with the A's label.
>>>
>>> If the process B accesses the same encrypted file, it needs the 'use'
>>> permission on the A's label other than permissions for the lower inode.
>>> However, if B is the first accessing process, A needs the 'use' permission
>>> on the B's label.
>> I am having trouble understanding the argument. I will pose my
>> question in Smack terms, as I can speak most definitively in them.
>>
>> A process running with a Smack label "A" creates a file, and that
>> file gets labeled "A", as it ought. If eCryptfs is behaving correctly
>> this ought not change. If eCryptfs in encrypting the label it needs
>> to do so in such a way as to be able to decrypt it prior to
>> presentation to the vfs layer, where it will be used in an access
>> check. When the process running with a Smack label "B" comes along
>> the vfs code will check the fetched and possibly decrypted "A"
>> against "B" and, unless there is an explicit Smack rule in place
>> granting "B" access to "A", fail.
>>
>> What is the problem? What is eCryptfs doing that prevents this
>> from working?
> Hi Casey - I think what Roberto is getting at is the way eCryptfs uses
> only one lower file per eCryptfs inode. Imagine that there are 5
> files open for ~/secret/foo at the eCryptfs layer, only 1 file is going
> to be open in the lower filesystem and all eCryptfs file operations will
> be multiplexed through it.
>
> To make things more complicated, if the eCryptfs file is opened for
> writing, the lower file must be opened for reading and writing. This is
> because a write operation requires eCryptfs to vfs_read() from the lower
> filesystem, decrypt that data and then vfs_write() the new data.
>
> If the lower file can't be opened O_RDWR by the calling process, the
> request is handed off to a kernel thread to open the lower file on
> behalf of the calling process. It is definitely ugly.

Is eCryptfs handling xattrs? It needs to be if it isn't.

> Roberto, I hope I correctly described the situation that you're trying
> to address. Can you tell me why we can't have a 1:1 mapping of eCryptfs
> files to lower files?
>
> Instead of having just one lower file attached to the eCryptfs inode, we
> could have a list of opened files. There would be one for each eCryptfs
> file that was opened. ecryptfs_writepage() would have to pick, in a
> somewhat random fashion, one of the lower files to use. Of course, we
> would still need to solve the problem of opening the lower file O_RDWR
> when the calling process is only allowed write access (I may have just
> answered my own question of why the 1:1 mapping technique won't solve
> this problem).
>
> Tyler
>
>


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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@polito.it>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, jmorris@namei.org, zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	safford@watson.ibm.com, kirkland@canonical.com,
	ecryptfs-devel@lists.launchpad.net, eparis@redhat.com,
	sds@tycho.nsa.gov, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7] File descriptor labeling
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:57:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DB8AD76.3020405@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110427232718.GG30854@boyd.l.tihix.com>

On 4/27/2011 4:27 PM, Tyler Hicks wrote:
> On Wed Apr 27, 2011 at 01:19:55PM -0700, Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
>> On 4/27/2011 5:34 AM, Roberto Sassu wrote:
>>> File descriptor labeling issue
>>>
>>> Actually SELinux and SMACK assign to file descriptors the same label of the
>>> opening process and use it in LSM hooks security_file_permission(),
>>> security_file_fcntl() and others to verify if the 'current' process has the
>>> rights to perform the requested operation.
>>>
>>> Using the credentials of the 'current' process may be not appropriate in
>>> case a file descriptor is opened by a kernel service (i.e. a filesystem)
>>> and made shared among user processes. For instance, in a system with
>>> SELinux and eCryptfs, if the process A opens an encrypted file, eCryptfs
>>> obtains a file descriptor to access the correspondent inode in the lower
>>> filesystem, labeled with the A's label.
>>>
>>> If the process B accesses the same encrypted file, it needs the 'use'
>>> permission on the A's label other than permissions for the lower inode.
>>> However, if B is the first accessing process, A needs the 'use' permission
>>> on the B's label.
>> I am having trouble understanding the argument. I will pose my
>> question in Smack terms, as I can speak most definitively in them.
>>
>> A process running with a Smack label "A" creates a file, and that
>> file gets labeled "A", as it ought. If eCryptfs is behaving correctly
>> this ought not change. If eCryptfs in encrypting the label it needs
>> to do so in such a way as to be able to decrypt it prior to
>> presentation to the vfs layer, where it will be used in an access
>> check. When the process running with a Smack label "B" comes along
>> the vfs code will check the fetched and possibly decrypted "A"
>> against "B" and, unless there is an explicit Smack rule in place
>> granting "B" access to "A", fail.
>>
>> What is the problem? What is eCryptfs doing that prevents this
>> from working?
> Hi Casey - I think what Roberto is getting at is the way eCryptfs uses
> only one lower file per eCryptfs inode. Imagine that there are 5
> files open for ~/secret/foo at the eCryptfs layer, only 1 file is going
> to be open in the lower filesystem and all eCryptfs file operations will
> be multiplexed through it.
>
> To make things more complicated, if the eCryptfs file is opened for
> writing, the lower file must be opened for reading and writing. This is
> because a write operation requires eCryptfs to vfs_read() from the lower
> filesystem, decrypt that data and then vfs_write() the new data.
>
> If the lower file can't be opened O_RDWR by the calling process, the
> request is handed off to a kernel thread to open the lower file on
> behalf of the calling process. It is definitely ugly.

Is eCryptfs handling xattrs? It needs to be if it isn't.

> Roberto, I hope I correctly described the situation that you're trying
> to address. Can you tell me why we can't have a 1:1 mapping of eCryptfs
> files to lower files?
>
> Instead of having just one lower file attached to the eCryptfs inode, we
> could have a list of opened files. There would be one for each eCryptfs
> file that was opened. ecryptfs_writepage() would have to pick, in a
> somewhat random fashion, one of the lower files to use. Of course, we
> would still need to solve the problem of opening the lower file O_RDWR
> when the calling process is only allowed write access (I may have just
> answered my own question of why the 1:1 mapping technique won't solve
> this problem).
>
> Tyler
>
>


  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-27 23:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-27 12:34 [RFC][PATCH 0/7] File descriptor labeling Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 12:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] fs: initialize file->f_cred with credentials provided Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 12:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] selinux: label new file descriptors using file->f_cred Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 12:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] smack: assign the label set in file->f_cred to new file descriptors Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 23:26   ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-27 23:26     ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-28  8:06     ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-28  8:06       ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 12:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] smack: fix label check in smack_kernel_act_as() Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 23:22   ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-27 23:22     ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-28  9:22     ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-28  9:22       ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 12:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] smack: import the security label in smack_secctx_to_secid() Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 23:47   ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-27 23:47     ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-27 12:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] security: new LSM hook security_file_getsecid() Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 23:50   ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-27 23:50     ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-28  9:41     ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-28  9:41       ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 12:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] ima: added new LSM conditions in the policy Roberto Sassu
2011-04-28 13:32   ` Mimi Zohar
2011-04-28 13:32     ` Mimi Zohar
2011-04-28 13:52     ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-28 13:52       ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-27 15:52 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] File descriptor labeling Casey Schaufler
2011-04-27 15:52   ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-27 20:19 ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-27 20:19   ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-27 23:27   ` Tyler Hicks
2011-04-27 23:27     ` Tyler Hicks
2011-04-27 23:57     ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2011-04-27 23:57       ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-28  0:06       ` Tyler Hicks
2011-04-28  0:06         ` Tyler Hicks
2011-04-28 12:35     ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-28 12:35       ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-28 17:37       ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-28 17:37         ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-28 17:56         ` Eric Paris
2011-04-28 17:56           ` Eric Paris
2011-04-29  9:26         ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-29  9:26           ` Roberto Sassu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-04-29  9:39 Roberto Sassu
2011-04-29  9:39 ` Roberto Sassu
2011-04-29 15:46 ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-29 15:46   ` Casey Schaufler
2011-04-29 19:09   ` Guido Trentalancia
2011-04-29 19:09     ` Guido Trentalancia
2011-05-02  8:53   ` Roberto Sassu
2011-05-02  8:53     ` Roberto Sassu
2011-05-03 22:58     ` Casey Schaufler
2011-05-03 22:58       ` Casey Schaufler
2011-05-03 23:58       ` John Johansen
2011-05-04  8:47         ` Roberto Sassu
2011-05-04  8:47           ` Roberto Sassu
2011-05-04 17:34           ` Casey Schaufler
2011-05-04 17:34             ` Casey Schaufler
2011-05-04  9:19       ` Roberto Sassu
2011-05-04  9:19         ` Roberto Sassu
2011-05-04 17:42         ` Casey Schaufler
2011-05-04 17:42           ` Casey Schaufler

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