From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Stefan Assmann <sassmann@kpanic.de>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
tony.luck@intel.com, andi@firstfloor.org, mingo@elte.hu,
rick@vanrein.org, rdunlap@xenotime.net,
Nancy Yuen <yuenn@google.com>, Michael Ditto <mditto@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] support for broken memory modules (BadRAM)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:13:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E0230CD.1030505@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110622110034.89ee399c.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On 06/22/2011 11:00 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> :
> : Second, the BadRAM patch expands the address patterns from the command
> : line into individual entries in the kernel's e820 table. The e820
> : table is a fixed buffer that supports a very small, hard coded number
> : of entries (128). We require a much larger number of entries (on
> : the order of a few thousand), so much of the google kernel patch deals
> : with expanding the e820 table.
This has not been true for a long time.
> I have a couple of thoughts here:
>
> - If this patchset is merged and a major user such as google is
> unable to use it and has to continue to carry a separate patch then
> that's a regrettable situation for the upstream kernel.
>
> - Google's is, afaik, the largest use case we know of: zillions of
> machines for a number of years. And this real-world experience tells
> us that the badram patchset has shortcomings. Shortcomings which we
> can expect other users to experience.
>
> So. What are your thoughts on these issues?
I think a binary structure fed as a linked list data object makes a lot
more sense. We already support feeding e820 entries in this way,
bypassing the 128-entry limitation of the fixed table in the zeropage.
The main issue then is priority; in particular memory marked UNUSABLE
(type 5) in the fed-in e820 map will of course overlap entries with
normal RAM (type 1) information in the native map; we need to make sure
that the type 5 information takes priority.
-hpa
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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Stefan Assmann <sassmann@kpanic.de>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
tony.luck@intel.com, andi@firstfloor.org, mingo@elte.hu,
rick@vanrein.org, rdunlap@xenotime.net,
Nancy Yuen <yuenn@google.com>, Michael Ditto <mditto@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] support for broken memory modules (BadRAM)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:13:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E0230CD.1030505@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110622110034.89ee399c.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On 06/22/2011 11:00 AM, Andrew Morton wrote:
> :
> : Second, the BadRAM patch expands the address patterns from the command
> : line into individual entries in the kernel's e820 table. The e820
> : table is a fixed buffer that supports a very small, hard coded number
> : of entries (128). We require a much larger number of entries (on
> : the order of a few thousand), so much of the google kernel patch deals
> : with expanding the e820 table.
This has not been true for a long time.
> I have a couple of thoughts here:
>
> - If this patchset is merged and a major user such as google is
> unable to use it and has to continue to carry a separate patch then
> that's a regrettable situation for the upstream kernel.
>
> - Google's is, afaik, the largest use case we know of: zillions of
> machines for a number of years. And this real-world experience tells
> us that the badram patchset has shortcomings. Shortcomings which we
> can expect other users to experience.
>
> So. What are your thoughts on these issues?
I think a binary structure fed as a linked list data object makes a lot
more sense. We already support feeding e820 entries in this way,
bypassing the 128-entry limitation of the fixed table in the zeropage.
The main issue then is priority; in particular memory marked UNUSABLE
(type 5) in the fed-in e820 map will of course overlap entries with
normal RAM (type 1) information in the native map; we need to make sure
that the type 5 information takes priority.
-hpa
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-22 18:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-06-22 11:18 [PATCH v2 0/3] support for broken memory modules (BadRAM) Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 11:18 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 11:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] Add string parsing function get_next_ulong Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 11:18 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 11:18 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] support for broken memory modules (BadRAM) Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 11:18 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 11:18 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] Add documentation and credits for BadRAM Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 11:18 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 18:00 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] support for broken memory modules (BadRAM) Andrew Morton
2011-06-22 18:00 ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-22 18:06 ` Josh Boyer
2011-06-22 18:06 ` Josh Boyer
2011-06-22 18:09 ` Randy Dunlap
2011-06-22 18:09 ` Randy Dunlap
2011-06-22 18:11 ` Nancy Yuen
2011-06-22 18:11 ` Nancy Yuen
2011-06-22 18:13 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2011-06-22 18:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 19:01 ` Nancy Yuen
2011-06-22 19:01 ` Nancy Yuen
2011-06-22 19:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 19:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 18:24 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-22 18:24 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-22 18:38 ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-22 18:38 ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-22 18:56 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-22 18:56 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-22 19:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 19:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 19:15 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-22 19:15 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-22 20:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 20:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 20:28 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-22 20:28 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-22 19:46 ` [PATCH] x86: e820: Eliminate bubble sort from sanitize_e820_map Mike Ditto
2011-06-22 19:46 ` Mike Ditto
2011-06-22 20:18 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] support for broken memory modules (BadRAM) Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 20:18 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-23 10:10 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-23 10:10 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-22 18:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 18:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 20:30 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 20:30 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-22 20:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-22 20:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-23 10:33 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-23 10:33 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-23 10:49 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-23 10:49 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-23 13:39 ` Matthew Garrett
2011-06-23 13:39 ` Matthew Garrett
2011-06-23 14:08 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-23 14:08 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-23 14:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2011-06-23 14:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2011-06-23 15:37 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-23 15:37 ` Stefan Assmann
2011-06-23 16:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-23 16:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-24 0:59 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-24 0:59 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-23 17:00 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-23 17:00 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-23 17:12 ` Luck, Tony
2011-06-23 17:12 ` Luck, Tony
2011-06-24 1:03 ` Craig Bergstrom
2011-06-24 1:08 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-24 1:08 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-24 1:22 ` Craig Bergstrom
2011-06-24 1:22 ` Craig Bergstrom
2011-06-24 8:05 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-24 8:05 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-24 14:34 ` Craig Bergstrom
2011-06-24 14:35 ` Craig Bergstrom
2011-06-24 16:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-24 16:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-24 16:40 ` Luck, Tony
2011-06-24 16:40 ` Luck, Tony
2011-06-24 16:56 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-24 16:56 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-24 17:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-24 17:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-06-24 1:09 ` Craig Bergstrom
[not found] <fa.fHPNPTsllvyE/7DxrKwiwgVbVww@ifi.uio.no>
2011-06-24 21:10 ` Shane Nay
2011-06-24 21:10 ` Shane Nay
2011-06-28 2:33 ` Craig Bergstrom
2011-06-28 2:33 ` Craig Bergstrom
2011-06-29 8:08 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-29 8:08 ` Rick van Rein
2011-06-29 15:28 ` craig lkml
2011-06-29 16:06 ` Craig Bergstrom
2011-06-29 16:06 ` Craig Bergstrom
2011-06-29 21:24 ` Tony Luck
2011-06-29 21:24 ` Tony Luck
2011-06-29 15:29 ` craig lkml
2011-06-30 14:32 ` Jody Belka
2011-06-30 14:32 ` Jody Belka
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-06-21 9:23 Stefan Assmann
2011-06-21 22:02 ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-22 11:11 ` Stefan Assmann
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